I have witnessed this discussion about what constitutes a page view repeatedly over the last months, and suspect that it is only going to get murkier the more interactive and non-navigation features we add. Some of these decisions are somewhat arbitrary, making the page view metric a less accurate indicator for the true engagement of users with our site.
I think we should complement pageviews with a new metric that side-steps a binary 1/0 decision: Time on Site. I have written up some thoughts on this at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119352.
Gabriel
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have been informed MW Core no longer exists. Fair catch ;p. But this is software development, not Oprah - product ownership is not something under the seat of every audience member. Someone needs to actually own the definition. I don't mind if it's AnEng, Research, Readership, Search, whoever, but it being an unknown and undisclosed responsibility that falls on the shoulders of everyone is a really bad way of doing it.
This is an organisational metric. Someone needs to own it.
On 3 December 2015 at 13:11, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sure, but ownership does not mean "knows everything" it means "Makes sure it gets done". MediaWiki is owned by everyone, sure, but the actual idea of what MediaWiki core is has a team. The MediaWiki core team.
On 3 December 2015 at 13:07, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?
Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own.
Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?
On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
Who does own it?
On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in their product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to provide feedback on lessons learned.
For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what constitutes a page in the IOS app?
With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249
Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so this ticket gets some visibility.
Thanks,
Nuria
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote: >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search >> query >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of >> special >> pages. >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for >> 'Special:Search'? > > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the > pageview > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones > that > know > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity > with > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's > comment > it > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but > let us > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. >
Who does own it?
> Thanks, > > Nuria > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > nemowiki@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >>> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >>> >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553dbd... >> >> >> Context: >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameters... >> >> Nemo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >
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