I have been informed MW Core no longer exists. Fair catch ;p. But this is software development, not Oprah - product ownership is not something under the seat of every audience member. Someone needs to actually own the definition. I don't mind if it's AnEng, Research, Readership, Search, whoever, but it being an unknown and undisclosed responsibility that falls on the shoulders of everyone is a really bad way of doing it.
This is an organisational metric. Someone needs to own it.
On 3 December 2015 at 13:11, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sure, but ownership does not mean "knows everything" it means "Makes sure it gets done". MediaWiki is owned by everyone, sure, but the actual idea of what MediaWiki core is has a team. The MediaWiki core team.
On 3 December 2015 at 13:07, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?
Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own.
Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?
On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
Who does own it?
On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in their product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to provide feedback on lessons learned.
For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what constitutes a page in the IOS app?
With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249
Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so this ticket gets some visibility.
Thanks,
Nuria
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz nuria@wikimedia.org wrote:
>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search > query > parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of > special > pages. >However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for > 'Special:Search'?
One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the pageview definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones that know their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity with knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's comment it seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but let us know otherwise via phab ticket or this list.
Who does own it?
Thanks,
Nuria
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote: > > Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >> >> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >> >> >> >> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553dbd... > > > Context: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameters... > > Nemo > > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
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