Good work guys, I'm embarrassed that I forgot to send my apologies. If I may ask, what were the reasons that.led you to decide on a company limited by guarante? On Apr 10, 2011 5:06 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: was absent and unfortunately we didn't have a note-taker! So please pardon me, for my not-so-professional minute-writing skills. forgotten in the minutes below. Also, if I have forgotten any member who was present/absent with apologies, I'm sorry! late; but I do believe that we had sound discussions, so thanks to those who made it :) Fountain of Knowledge on 09/04/2011. The Meetup started way behind schedule. WanjauAlex WafulaDennis MuneneCliff OchiengAbbas Mahmood Mugo not all, of us agreed on choosing company limited by guarantee; we will give members a chance to vote for the model they want. Failure to pay this membership fee will result in that person not having membership rights, such as the right to vote. strip off all the classes of membership, and just have one category of members: ordinary members. have an odd-numbered board for voting purposes. It was also suggested that the title of this post be Organizing Secretary or Project Manager - who will basically be involved in projects/events organizing. posts for a maximum of two consecutive years. Some (or is it most?) African leaders are notorious for clinging in power, so this was a measure suggested to counter this phenomenon. It was also argued that we could have a leader that performs so well and therefore we should not limit his/her term but rather judge by merit. were unaware of the official pilot document that was letter-headed by the Foundation that they could use when approaching schools. trip to attend Wikimania 2011, in Haifa. If there is any other person[s] going to Wikimania, kindly notify us. apologies - members who sent notice on the mailing list with regrets of being unable to attend. access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment." _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Ann, clearly, you haven't been following the discussions during the past week. I hope that this is the final time I'll be repeating this: I'm going to speak for myself and state that I think co. ltd by guarantee is the best option since we have precedence of how it's working from Wikimedia UK. After registration, we will then apply for tax exemption/non-profit status from the Ministry of Finance. Sam, I'm on the Wikimania 2012 Jury, and we are going to announce the host city in due course of the day, so keep your eyes open :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:24:15 +0300 From: coolsam726(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 First of all, I still regret since my "absence with apologies" is not a good enough experience for me. However, congraturations to all who made it to the meeting, and congraturations for the constructive discussion that you had. I won't forget to congraturate Alex for getting the chance to represent us in Haifa, Israel this year. This should be an encouragement and a good sign that now every year Kenya seems to have a representative at the Wikimania (I Personally crave for the 2012 one :)). I believe that we will have more physical meetings when all schools reopen, ie when internships are over. Right now, I would urge us to once again take our free time to go through the legal options we have with a scrutinizing eye so that we can make the perfect choice since this is a very critical step in our chapter formation On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Ann Njeri &lt;njeriannk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Good work guys, I'm embarrassed that I forgot to send my apologies. If I may ask, what were the reasons that.led you to decide on a company limited by guarante? On Apr 10, 2011 5:06 PM, "Abbas Mahmood" &lt;abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: was absent and unfortunately we didn't have a note-taker! So please pardon me, for my not-so-professional minute-writing skills. forgotten in the minutes below. Also, if I have forgotten any member who was present/absent with apologies, I'm sorry! late; but I do believe that we had sound discussions, so thanks to those who made it :) Fountain of Knowledge on 09/04/2011. The Meetup started way behind schedule. WanjauAlex WafulaDennis MuneneCliff OchiengAbbas Mahmood Mugo not all, of us agreed on choosing company limited by guarantee; we will give members a chance to vote for the model they want. Failure to pay this membership fee will result in that person not having membership rights, such as the right to vote. strip off all the classes of membership, and just have one category of members: ordinary members. have an odd-numbered board for voting purposes. It was also suggested that the title of this post be Organizing Secretary or Project Manager - who will basically be involved in projects/events organizing. posts for a maximum of two consecutive years. Some (or is it most?) African leaders are notorious for clinging in power, so this was a measure suggested to counter this phenomenon. It was also argued that we could have a leader that performs so well and therefore we should not limit his/her term but rather judge by merit. were unaware of the official pilot document that was letter-headed by the Foundation that they could use when approaching schools. trip to attend Wikimania 2011, in Haifa. If there is any other person[s] going to Wikimania, kindly notify us. apologies - members who sent notice on the mailing list with regrets of being unable to attend. access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment." _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- __________________________________________________________________________________ Samson Arosi Maosa, Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five *"In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"* Make someone know what you already know. Join us now at Wikimedia Kenya<http://www.wikimedia.or.ke> _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Thanks Abbas, now understand On Monday, April 11, 2011, Abbas Mahmood &lt;abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: I hope that this is the final time I'll be repeating this: is the best option since we have precedence of how it's working from Wikimedia UK. After registration, we will then apply for tax exemption/non-profit status from the Ministry of Finance. city in due course of the day, so keep your eyes open :) good enough experience for me. However, congraturations to all who made it to the meeting, and congraturations for the constructive discussion that you had. us in Haifa, Israel this year. This should be an encouragement and a good sign that now every year Kenya seems to have a representative at the Wikimania (I Personally crave for the 2012 one :)). reopen, ie when internships are over. Right now, I would urge us to once again take our free time to go through the legal options we have with a scrutinizing eye so that we can make the perfect choice since this is a very critical step in our chapter formation may ask, what were the reasons that.led you to decide on a company limited by guarante? was absent and unfortunately we didn't have a note-taker! So please pardon me, for my not-so-professional minute-writing skills. forgotten in the minutes below. Also, if I have forgotten any member who was present/absent with apologies, I'm sorry! starting late; but I do believe that we had sound discussions, so thanks to those who made it :) Fountain of Knowledge on 09/04/2011. The Meetup started way behind schedule. WanjauAlex WafulaDennis MuneneCliff OchiengAbbas Mahmood Mugo not all, of us agreed on choosing company limited by guarantee; we will give members a chance to vote for the model they want. Failure to pay this membership fee will result in that person not having membership rights, such as the right to vote. strip off all the classes of membership, and just have one category of members: ordinary members. to have an odd-numbered board for voting purposes. It was also suggested that the title of this post be Organizing Secretary or Project Manager - who will basically be involved in projects/events organizing. posts for a maximum of two consecutive years. Some (or is it most?) African leaders are notorious for clinging in power, so this was a measure suggested to counter this phenomenon. It was also argued that we could have a leader that performs so well and therefore we should not limit his/her term but rather judge by merit. were unaware of the official pilot document that was letter-headed by the Foundation that they could use when approaching schools. trip to attend Wikimania 2011, in Haifa. If there is any other person[s] going to Wikimania, kindly notify us. apologies - members who sent notice on the mailing list with regrets of being unable to attend. free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment." _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

OK, I'll wikify the minutes. The lawyer told me that it is not his job to decide for us, but advise us on the legal vehicle. Grace also shared with me her concerns of the relevance of people voting over the best legal vehicle. Therefore, if people don't want to vote, and the lawyer is not in a position to choose for us; I am going to tell him to redact the bylaws in accordance with company limited by guarantee. Are there any objections? I did not want to be the one to choose this, so as to encourage collective responsibility, but anyway.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:02:07 +0300 From: oslimoke(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 Hi Guys, Good to see progress in the By-Laws thorny issue.I am at the moment caught up with work and I have very intermittent internet access and very limited time to myself.(Paying for my long absence for Wikimedia staff :P) Anyway,Congratulations to Alex for the Wikimania and I hope we be the Chapter to be announced at the Wikimania like SA at Berlin I would also opine that we should not let the members vote for the best Legal way to go since most of us have limited legal understanding.Let the the Lawyer advice in between the two and we take the best option rather than vote as voting may result in not necessarily the best option but the popular option...just my 2 cents Otherwise the deliberations at the meeting are great and congratulations guys for the good work. Abbas,please please could u find time to put the minutes on our Wiki?just for reference?..Thank you On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Ann Njeri &lt;njeriannk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Thanks Abbas, now understand On Monday, April 11, 2011, Abbas Mahmood &lt;abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: I hope that this is the final time I'll be repeating this: is the best option since we have precedence of how it's working from Wikimedia UK. After registration, we will then apply for tax exemption/non-profit status from the Ministry of Finance. city in due course of the day, so keep your eyes open :) good enough experience for me. However, congraturations to all who made it to the meeting, and congraturations for the constructive discussion that you had. us in Haifa, Israel this year. This should be an encouragement and a good sign that now every year Kenya seems to have a representative at the Wikimania (I Personally crave for the 2012 one :)). reopen, ie when internships are over. Right now, I would urge us to once again take our free time to go through the legal options we have with a scrutinizing eye so that we can make the perfect choice since this is a very critical step in our chapter formation may ask, what were the reasons that.led you to decide on a company limited by guarante? was absent and unfortunately we didn't have a note-taker! So please pardon me, for my not-so-professional minute-writing skills. forgotten in the minutes below. Also, if I have forgotten any member who was present/absent with apologies, I'm sorry! starting late; but I do believe that we had sound discussions, so thanks to those who made it :) Fountain of Knowledge on 09/04/2011. The Meetup started way behind schedule. WanjauAlex WafulaDennis MuneneCliff OchiengAbbas Mahmood Mugo not all, of us agreed on choosing company limited by guarantee; we will give members a chance to vote for the model they want. Failure to pay this membership fee will result in that person not having membership rights, such as the right to vote. strip off all the classes of membership, and just have one category of members: ordinary members. to have an odd-numbered board for voting purposes. It was also suggested that the title of this post be Organizing Secretary or Project Manager - who will basically be involved in projects/events organizing. posts for a maximum of two consecutive years. Some (or is it most?) African leaders are notorious for clinging in power, so this was a measure suggested to counter this phenomenon. It was also argued that we could have a leader that performs so well and therefore we should not limit his/her term but rather judge by merit. were unaware of the official pilot document that was letter-headed by the Foundation that they could use when approaching schools. trip to attend Wikimania 2011, in Haifa. If there is any other person[s] going to Wikimania, kindly notify us. apologies - members who sent notice on the mailing list with regrets of being unable to attend. free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment." _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake -- Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300

From: chriwaustin(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get the current stalement behind us ASAP. As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the other members prior to the voting.

An official voting session was then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws that are supposed to govern us. Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.

Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the voting date, duration et cetera.

documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be availed to all members.

We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the foundation.

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:05:53 +0300 From: kips8505izo(a)gmail.com To: oliver_stegen(a)sil.org; wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 I I am sorry I have not been replying to the thread I have cats the whole week and exams next week. at least I will be free to contribute more from 10th next month when I am through with project and exams. on My part I have a few points to make 1. A company limited by Guarantee is headed by CEO 2. The supporting executive staff are called directors 3. The total number of the executive team should be an odd number say 5 or seven ( I think somebody had already noted that. 4. The requirements for registration are MoA- Memorandum of Association and AoA- articles of Association 5.The registration fee is around 35,000 6.There are a minimum of three signatories preferably are CEO, Director finance and Director Communications. 7. It takes 2-3 weeks for it to be processed from date of application. 8. It is advisable to have an internal constitution. 9. The other members will be ordinary members. Once the registration is done and you have put everything in place then we can thing of expanding by bringingg in a non executive board (e.g someone from ICT Board, PS Ministry Communications Kenya, Ministry of education )or any other organization this are people whose role will be to advise the org. With that said Can you reflect on thefollowing: 1.Set a time frame of activities (Org registration, the MOA and AoA writing,internal constitution writing -Abbas should propose that then members to second. 2.The best way to work on the above is delegation of duties to a small group who will write and present to the whole group for amendment and approval All the best as you deliberate will join you from May 10th. On 12/04/2011, Oliver Stegen &lt;oliver_stegen(a)sil.org&gt; wrote: -- Isaac K. Kosgei. Bachelor of Agribusiness Management Egerton University, Njoro Kenya. (+254727553981) www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo Skype:Kipsizoo Twitter:@Kipsizoo *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi * _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:02:07 +0300 From: oslimoke(a)gmail.com To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011

Abbas,please please could u find time to put the minutes on our Wiki?just for reference?..Thank you