Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think? Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys. Will spread the word on donations though. For others, please donate (liberally); http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 From: srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in To: nawabhakimdr(a)ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant to the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi. The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter. I hope this clears it out. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim &lt;nawabhakimdr(a)ymail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes. this is cheating. _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

It will be unfair to call it cheating, however - 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS . I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters. Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer < rednosedrudy(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -

1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.

2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS.

I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?

Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.

From: sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:23:41 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate Dear Abhishek, On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Writing something baseless is completely unfair. That too you are hinting as cheating which is absolutely wrong and offending. I don't know from where you have these numbers. I assume if you know these numbers, you will be knowing the expenditures as well as provisions for some future events/activities. If you give that information too, then it will be a fair statement. Absolutely wrong information you have got. Looks like it is time you dump your info-providers (खबरी लोग ) :-) Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for support. The way you expect clarity and transparency from chapter, chapter also seeks the same thing from you. Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. All the chapter reports are open. However, there could be some regulatory limitations/restrictions for the same. Compared to an informal club or group activities, chapter has far more regulatory compliances. Within that, we do our best to help various events and activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community. All these activities are also done voluntarily- just like community does. If community shows trust and confidence in the chapter, it will become strong and in turn community becomes stronger. Regards, -Sudhanwa [snip] _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Dear Abhishek, On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Writing something baseless is completely unfair. That too you are hinting as cheating which is absolutely wrong and offending. I don't know from where you have these numbers. I assume if you know these numbers, you will be knowing the expenditures as well as provisions for some future events/activities. If you give that information too, then it will be a fair statement. Absolutely wrong information you have got. Looks like it is time you dump your info-providers (खबरी लोग ) :-) Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not hesitate to ask for support. The way you expect clarity and transparency from chapter, chapter also seeks the same thing from you. Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. All the chapter reports are open. However, there could be some regulatory limitations/restrictions for the same. Compared to an informal club or group activities, chapter has far more regulatory compliances. Within that, we do our best to help various events and activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community. All these activities are also done voluntarily- just like community does. If community shows trust and confidence in the chapter, it will become strong and in turn community becomes stronger. Regards, -Sudhanwa [snip]

On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees? I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago). CIS. I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this. required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used? This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapter. > Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters. > Regards, > -Abhishek Suryawanshi, > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf) Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally. > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer < rednosedrudy(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think? tremendous amount to you guys. the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working out of Delhi. India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter. nawabhakimdr(a)ymail.com&gt; wrote: this is cheating. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments. On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: wrote: I ago). chapter. no people to the -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today< http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

i am not talk about 1.5 lakh. i am talk about 2. lak that noobur talk about in old mail. ------------------------------ *From:* Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; *To:* Wikimedia India Community list &lt;wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:15 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate I am talking about upcoming Board Meeting, Correct me if someone else is funding Travel expenses of Chapter. Its CIS right? Point is - If expenses are well known like this, other organizations can chip in to support Chapter. And 'in-kind' donations will be helpful. Its good to see CIS is helping Chapter, and why Chapter wants to keep it as secret? At same time there are dedicated efforts in all mails to keep everyone in dark about Travel support, is there any specific reason behind it?? Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in&gt; wrote: Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments. On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: wrote: I ago). chapter. no people to the -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today< http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

*@Karthik - * *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question * Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party? *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,* Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses? *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation. *@Sudhanwa - * *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by > CIS. > Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong. *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is > required > > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always > open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the > upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. > If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan > the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes > to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want > to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not > hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS. So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of activities than running for money? specially when third parties are interested in supporting financially? When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities? *@Dhaval - * *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * > *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian > Rupees?* > *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, > I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, > water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are > not > so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > ago).* That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might need extra efforts to run for money. And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses already! These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is needed'. I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.… > *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is > required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? * > * * > *I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter > website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants > page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that > chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you > think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many > grant > requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be > requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a > figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount > is > used?* > * * > *This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte* > r. *This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*r. - I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it down. *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by > CIS. > > I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their > finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s. Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration? And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses. *@Srikanth : * *Substantiate your claim that CIS > is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S, Read above replies and following link. -Abhishek Suryawanshi, Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter, http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in&gt; wrote: > Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary > stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS > is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, > and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a > society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government > departments. > On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same. > > > Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct > > me > > if I am wrong??? > > > > > > -Abhishek Suryawanshi, > > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas &lt;dsvyas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < > >> i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> > >> > >> > It will be unfair to call it cheating, however - > >> > >> > 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. > >> >> And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian > >> Rupees? > >> >> I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my > >> experience, > I > >> know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. > >> electricity, > >> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are > >> not > >> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > ago). > >> >> > >> > 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered > >> > by > >> CIS. > >> > >> I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their > >> finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this. > >> >> > I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is > >> required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > >> >> I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter > >> website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to > >> Grants > >> page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that > >> chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do > >> you > >> think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many > >> grant > >> requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be > >> requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a > >> figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that > >> amount > >> is > >> used? > >> >> This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of > chapter. > >> >> > >> > >> > Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make > >> > sure > >> India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters. > >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi, > >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dhaval > >> (on my own behalf) > >> >> Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have > no > >> financial inrerest with either of them personally. > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer < > >> rednosedrudy(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> >> >> >> Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin > >> >> to > >> come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave > people > >> like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit > >> deliberately > >> done, don't you think? > >> >> >> >> Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a > >> tremendous amount to you guys. > >> >> Will spread the word on donations though. > >> >> >> >> >> >> For others, please donate (liberally); > >> >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate > >> >> >> >> ________________________________ > >> >> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530 > >> >> From: srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in > >> >> To: nawabhakimdr(a)ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim, > >> >> to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant > to > >> the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation > >> working > >> out of Delhi. > >> >> >> >> The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in > >> India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity > >> comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter. > >> >> >> >> I hope this clears it out. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim < > >> nawabhakimdr(a)ymail.com&gt; wrote: > >> >>> >> >>> hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh > >> >>> ruppes. > >> this is cheating. > >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> >>> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan > >> >> Member of the Executive Committee > >> >> Wikimedia Chapter [India] > >> >> >> >> Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l > >> mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from > the > >> list / change mailing preferences visit > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> >> > -- > Srikanth Ramakrishnan > Member of the Executive Committee > Wikimedia Chapter [India] > Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today< > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations> _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the

P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for

Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <

Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with. On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > *@Karthik - * > > > *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question * > > > Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are

> by third party? > > *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,* >> > > Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then

> state who is covering travel expenses? > > *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send >> out clarifications. * > > > Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out > clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are > putting up efforts to blur whole situation. > > > *@Sudhanwa - * > > > *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by >> CIS. >> >> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. >> > > AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if > wrong. > > > *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is >> required >> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? >> >> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always >> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the >> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. >> >> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan >> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes >> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want >> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not >> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. >> > > It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed

> and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can

> covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS. > > So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of > activities than running for money? specially when third parties are > interested in supporting financially? > > When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support > financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. > I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So > Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities? > > > > *@Dhaval - * > > > *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * >> >> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian >> Rupees?* >> >> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, >> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.

>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are >> not >> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years >> ago).* >> > > That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact > fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared

*I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. *

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nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. *

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Dear Sunil, Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses? And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request. As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism. Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune

Dear Abhishek, CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. Dear Friends, In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how we should structure this report or if you have any further questions about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask me. Best wishes, Sunil -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 From: Sunil Abraham &lt;sunil(a)cis-india.org&gt; To: Wikimedia India EC &lt;wikimedia-in-exec(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Attn: Sudhanwa Jogalekar Karthik Nadar Anirudh Singh Bhati Nikita Belavate Pranav Curumsey Srikanth Ramakrishnan Viswa Prabha Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC, Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you. CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and 24th of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one day training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt for either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have confirmed for the 22nd. CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it. Best wishes, Sunil On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: as your wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; If word. I and just proceed. I members are covered correct is plan want not of _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l

> I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India

India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is

Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on outreach

Its good to see its already started.. Chapter should be ready to share answers. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi <

> Guys, > I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India

> (1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all

> (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with

> Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the

> - abhijith > ________________________________ > From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan &lt;srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in> To: Wikimedia India Community list &lt;wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;

> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate > Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt

> As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the

> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If

> n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi <

> > > > Dear Srikanth, > > I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at

> > > P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel

> > > > > Regards, > > Abhishek Suryawanshi, > > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <

> > > Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a > > Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The > > entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi > > was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did > > NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what > > kind of people it is dealing with. > > > On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi &lt;i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com&gt;

> >> *@Karthik - * > >> >> >> *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question * > >> >> >> Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are

> >> by third party? > >> >> *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing

> >>> >> >> Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then

> >> state who is covering travel expenses? > >> >> *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to

> >>> out clarifications. * > >> >> >> Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out > >> clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are > >> putting up efforts to blur whole situation. > >> >> >> *@Sudhanwa - * > >> >> >> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are

> >>> CIS. > >>> >>> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. > >>> >> >> AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct

> >> wrong. > >> >> >> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is > >>> required > >>> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > >>> >>> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always > >>> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the > >>> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. > >>> >>> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan > >>> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also

> >>> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want > >>> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not > >>> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. > >>> >> >> It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed

> >> and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which

> >> covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS. > >> >> So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of > >> activities than running for money? specially when third parties are > >> interested in supporting financially? > >> >> When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support > >> financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. > >> I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed.

> >> Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities? > >> >> >> >> *@Dhaval - * > >> >> >> *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * > >>> >>> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+

> >>> Rupees?* > >>> >>> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my

> >>> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.

> >>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things

> >>> not > >>> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > >>> ago).* > >>> >> >> That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer

> >> fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as

> >> cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it

> >> need extra efforts to run for money. > >> And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of

> >> already! > >> >> These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is > >> needed'. > >> >> I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : > >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia > > -- > Srikanth Ramakrishnan > Member of the Executive Committee > Wikimedia Chapter [India] > Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit

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Hi All, First, I am not a chapter member. As a member of mailing list I have few suggestions to resolve issue. 1. Authorized person can publish ,"Activity list", "Expense list", "Financial supporters list" & "Maintenance expenditure list" on chapter site & share the link (Yes, specific link for report. Not just "is on site" statement) on this mail chain. (I wonder why this simple solution is not considered yet!) 2. People should stop making climes in chapter's name & stop all kind of fights till above lists are given by chapter. 3. Chapter should workout on financial transparency (I mean how public can verify it) to avoid such issue in future. 4. Keep in mind that finance is a critical issue & people may get negative message through bad fights like this. Thanks, Tejas jain 2013/2/13 Arnav Sonara &lt;sonara.arnav(a)gmail.com&gt; _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l