Dear Karthik,
Thank you for this and for your regular updates on chapter activity,
though I wish it had been unnecessary to issue this particular
clarification - whether individual or institutional, working with the
Wikimedia India chapter is not some kind of conspiracy - it's what all
of us should be doing more of.
Dear Abhishek and others writing in the same vein,
The chapter consists of enthusiastic volunteers who are doing their best
to make things work under strict financial laws, very little money, one
part-time employee who is generous with his time and skills, and too
little outside help. Please leave them be. Constant accusations of
conspiracy are tiring - God knows we have enough of them here already -
and it makes it very hard to engage this list seriously.
best,
Achal
On Monday 18 February 2013 03:59 PM, Karthik Nadar wrote:
Dear All,
This is with reference to Sunils invitation to members of the Chapters
EC to help train the A2K team in Bangalore. A few clarifications from us:
1. Our Secretary was in touch with Sunil before he sent the
clarifications to the list. We felt since its a CIS invitation, its
better Sunil clarifies the issue and not us.
2. Our relations with Sunil and CIS are much older than A2K and our
relations are cordial. That the invitation came directly from Sunil
was a very important factor in our decision making.
3. Srikanth did say we will disclose if and when we do ever receive
CIS funding for anything. The training is yet to take place and hence
nothing was disclosed.
4. The EC never requested or expected any payment of fees nor was it
offered anything of that sort for this training (apart from
reimbursement of costs).
5. We are holding our board meeting while we will be in Bangalore. The
decision was taken for cost effectiveness and Sunil is aware of this.
6. EC was planning to hold a F2F meeting in the third week of
February. We would like to restate that it is purely a coincidence
that both the activities happened to be on the same dates and both of
us mutually decided to take advantage of this fact.
On behalf of Wikimedia India Chapter,
Karthik Nadar.
(Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter)
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Sunil Abraham <sunil(a)mahiti.org
<mailto:sunil@mahiti.org>> wrote:
Dear Abhishek,
CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has
CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant.
CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial
years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their
financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly
suppor
This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising
a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
Dear Friends,
In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of
the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual
consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for
this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to
address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how
we should structure this report or if you have any further questions
about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask
me.
Best wishes,
Sunil
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530
From: Sunil Abraham <sunil(a)cis-india.org <mailto:sunil@cis-india.org>>
To: Wikimedia India EC <wikimedia-in-exec(a)lists.wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimedia-in-exec@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Attn:
Sudhanwa Jogalekar
Karthik Nadar
Anirudh Singh Bhati
Nikita Belavate
Pranav Curumsey
Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Viswa Prabha
Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd
and 24th
of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan
will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend
one day
training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you
opt for
either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have
confirmed for the 22nd.
CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members.
CIS will
also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at
the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
Best wishes,
Sunil
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
<i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com
<mailto:i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Sunil,
Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter
Travel
expenses?
And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to
support
movement in India.
Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can
support as
per request.
As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS -
Hope so your
reply will clarify that CIS is there to support
Chapter activities
irrespective of criticism.
Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in
<mailto:srik.ramk@wikimedia.in>>
>>
>> To: Wikimedia India Community list
<wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
>>
>> Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt
>> processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
>>
>> As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the
>> "information" from.
>> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to
do so.
If
>> the CIS funds us, it will be madw
public.
>>
>> n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>> <i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com
<mailto:i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Srikanth,
>> > I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership
List. But
at
>> > the same time I guess you will also
respect the Chapter
President's word. I
>> > have had a talk with Sudhanwa
(President,Wikimedia India
Chapter) and just
>> > two days back he informed me that my
Chapter-membership is
being proceed. I
>> > would like you to have or increase
your communications with
other EC members
>> > (or at-least with President) before
claiming me or anybody
else with
>> > allegations such as a
'Cheat' :)
>> >
>> > P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding
chapter's travel
>> > for Board meeting or not ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> > <srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in <mailto:srik.ramk@wikimedia.in>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to
be
a
>> > Chapter Member with membership
number INDI-31 is NOT a
member. The
>> > entry currently doesn't exist in
our membership list. Mr.
Suryawanshi
>> > was a member of the Chapter during
the earlier Financial
Year and did
>> > NOT renew his membership. I hope the
community is now aware
of what
>> > kind of people it is dealing with.
>> >
>> > On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi
<i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com
<mailto:i.abhishek.suryawanshi@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >> *@Karthik - *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a
question *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for
members are
>> >> covered
>> >> by third party?
>> >>
>> >> *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public
mailing
>> >> list,*
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is
unsubstantiated? Then
>> >> please
>> >> state who is covering travel expenses?
>> >>
>> >> *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to
spend
time to
>> >> send
>> >>> out clarifications. *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending
out
>> >> clarification' part? What clarification is given? On
contrary You are
>> >> putting up efforts to blur whole
situation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *@Sudhanwa - *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM
are covered
>> >> by
>> >>> CIS.
>> >>>
>> >>> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right?
Please
correct
>> >> if
>> >> wrong.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How
much money is
>> >>> required
>> >>> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
>> >>>
>> >>> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers
are always
>> >>> open to all for discussions.
You will find these details
in the
>> >>> upcoming requests. Asaf has
already indicated the same on
the list.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We
will plan
>> >>> the resources accordingly
(budgets, people etc) Same
request also
>> >>> goes
>> >>> to all the people in the community. Please let us know
what you want
>> >>> to do. We are here to
support you in whatever best way we
can. Do not
>> >>> hesitate to ask for
suppo*rt.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking
about
fixed
>> >> expenses
>> >> and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel
expenses. Which
>> >> can be
>> >> covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties
like CIS.
>> >>
>> >> So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on
outreach
kind of
>> >> activities than running for
money? specially when third
parties are
>> >> interested in supporting
financially?
>> >>
>> >> When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they
support
>> >> financially - I guess there
could be minimum acknowledgement?.
>> >> I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also
if
needed.
>> >> So
>> >> Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *@Dhaval - *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
>> >>>
>> >>> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT
of 1.5+
>> >>> Indian
>> >>> Rupees?*
>> >>>
>> >>> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
>> >>> experience,
>> >>> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g.
>> >>> electricity,
>> >>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and
these things
>> >>> are
>> >>> not
>> >>> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen
(20 years
>> >>> ago).*
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to
answer
>> >> exact
>> >> fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as
>> >> compared to
>> >> cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is
missing.
And it
>> >> might
>> >> need extra efforts to run for money.
>> >> And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
>> >> expenses
>> >> already!
>> >>
>> >> These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on
'what is
>> >> needed'.
>> >>
>> >> I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please
see :
>> >>
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> Member of the Executive Committee
>> Wikimedia Chapter [India]
>>
>> Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today
>>
>>
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