On Feb 13, 2013 12:08 AM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India
mailing list
is definitely not the platform for discussion.
India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is
criticizing CIS
continuously on other hand its accepting financial help
from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is
helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it?
Even If and when CIS funds the Chapter then it does not mean that one
cannot criticize the other.
Criticism is necessary in community, but baseless allegations a big NO.
When Srikanth says that all info about Chapter will be made public, we have
to take word for it.
Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on outreach
and
activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs.
I still quite don't understand what you mean. But I would like to say that
outreach has been done even when chapter didn't exist, but since its
formation it has been a lot easier at organisational layer to move things
forward.
Its good to see its already started..
we will have to move beyond the question to get
the answer.
Chapter should be ready to share answers.
Regards,
Abhishek Suryawanshi,
On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi <
abhijithsince1986(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> I understand this might be a serious issue,
but I trust all India
mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion.
Please continue
this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points:
> (1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the all
India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it.
> (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures
should be shared with
each member upon joining and the mechanism should be
followed.
> Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the
solution - we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer.
> - abhijith
> ________________________________
> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in
> To: Wikimedia India Community list
<wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to
donate
> Membership under processing is differnt
from memvership alreadt
processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so.
> As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the
"information" from.
> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will
xontinue to do so. If
the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
> n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi <
i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Dear
Srikanth,
> > I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at
the
same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I
have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just
two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I
would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC
members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else
with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :)
>
> > P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel
for Board meeting or not ?
>
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.ramk(a)wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
> > Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a
> > Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The
> > entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi
> > was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did
> > NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what
> > kind of people it is dealing with.
>
> > On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi
<i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> *@Karthik - *
> >
> >
> >> *If you have a question, you can
ask it in the form of a question *
> >
> >
> >> Why Chapter is denying/ignoring
fact flight tickets for members are
covered
> >> by third party?
> >
> >>
*instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing
list,*
> >>
> >
> >> Do you
mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then
please
> >> state who is covering travel expenses?
> >
> >> *which
is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to
send
> >>> out clarifications. *
> >
> >
> >> Could you please elaborate
'unproductive' term and 'sending out
> >> clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are
> >> putting up efforts to blur whole situation.
> >
> >
> >> *@Sudhanwa - *
> >
> >
> >> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses
such as Flight Tickets for AGM are
covered by
> >>> CIS.
> >>
> >>>
Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
> >>
> >
> >> AGM word is wrong and Board
Meeting is correct, right? Please correct
if
> >> wrong.
> >
> >
> >> *> I am waiting for someone to
answer simple query - How much money is
> >>> required
> >>> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
> >>
> >>>
Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always
> >>> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the
> >>> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
> >>
> >>> If
you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan
> >>> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also
goes
> >>> to all the people in the community.
Please let us know what you want
> >>> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not
> >>> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
> >>
> >
> >> It seems you are missing out whole
point, I am talking about fixed
expenses
> >> and 'possible' activities. Like
Board meeting travel expenses. Which
can be
> >> covered and are (already) getting covered
by third parties like CIS.
> >
> >> So it
makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of
> >> activities than running for money? specially when third parties are
> >> interested in supporting financially?
> >
> >> When
CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support
> >> financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?.
> >> I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed.
So
> >> Chapter can focus on productive outreach
and activities?
> >
> >
> >
> >> *@Dhaval - *
> >
> >
> >> *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5
Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
> >>
> >>>
*And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+
Indian
> >>> Rupees?*
> >>
> >>> *I
think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my
experience,
> >>> I know that any property requires
paying off few bills, e.g.
electricity,
> >>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if
it has got) and these things
are
> >>> not
> >>> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
> >>> ago).*
> >>
> >
> >> That is base amount, Someone from
Chapter might be able to answer
exact
> >> fixed expenses? Its always easy to find
'in-kind' donations as
compared to
> >> cash. Its difficult specially when tax
exemption is missing. And it
might
> >> need extra efforts to run for money.
> >> And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of
expenses
> >> already!
> >
> >> These
expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is
> >> needed'.
> >
> >> I have
already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see :
> >>
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia
>
> --
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> Member of the Executive Committee
> Wikimedia Chapter [India]
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