2013/10/18 Nikolas Everett <neverett(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
Short answer: it's going to but doesn't yet.
I'd love to know more about
_exactly_ what you mean.
Thanks for your answer.
On ro.wp we have articles about both the communes and the villages in
those communes. The commune often has the name of the main village and
it's possible to have several communes with the same name in different
counties, so we'll have articles like "Bucșani, Giurgiu", "Bucșani,
Dâmbovița", "Comuna Bucșani, Giurgiu", "Comuna Bucșani,
Dâmbovița". If
I search for "Bucș" I get the first 2 articles, but not the latter
two.
Long answer:
A version of this feature was requested by someone beta testing CirrusSearch
on their private wiki. I implemented it as an option turned off by default
and off on all WMF wikis but my implementation feels too liberal so I'm
sitting on it until I can get an update on exactly what the requester wants.
Currently "main p", "page m" "ma pa", "m p", and
"p m" all match "Main
Page". I'm not sure if that is the right way to do it but you can see how
it does fulfil your request when you ask it in the way that you did.
Another way to think of it is that "page", "main p", "mai",
"m", and "p"
should all match "Main Page" but "page m", "m p", and
"p m" should not.
The last version sound right to me. While google-like inversions would
allow far more flexibility, they wouldn't bring much value in the
suggestion box, as the number of results is limited. Perhaps enable
the inversions only in the results page and place them at the end?
There is also the question of how this should be enabled. Should it be
changed per wiki? Should it be a user configuration setting? If it is a
user configuration setting should its default be configured per wiki?
Should it be accessible via some magic prefix typed into the box like "~"
does now? Should the prefix invert the default? For the beta tester I was
going to add it as a wiki wide setting because the suited his needs.
Disabled (by default) user config would probably be best. This is an
advanced feature and not all users would need it. I'm not sure about
the performance impact if enabled on the wmf cluster though.
I've added Dan Garry to this particular reply because he is the WMF Product
Manager who is managing this search replacement who might be able to help
sort this out.
Nik
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nikolas,
One of the grievances I have with the current search system is that
it's incapable of offering suggestions with matches in the middle of
the title (e.g. when searching for "X", also find "County X (some
other words)" if such an article exist). Is CirrusSearch capable of
this?
Thanks,
Strainu
2013/10/17 Nikolas Everett <neverett(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
Dear Ambassadors,
I'm looking for volunteer wikis to try out the new search that Chad and
I've
been working on called CirrusSearch.
<sales pitch>Be a part of the second wave of wikis and influence new
search
features!</sales pitch>
Reality:
* We're reasonably sure CirrusSearch's language support is better than
the
current search. [1]
* CirrusSearch indexes expanded templates.
* CirrusSearch indexes articles within a few seconds of when they are
changed. Articles that contain a changed template take longer but they
are
also updated.
* Most of the special search syntax is the same. You can read the
syntax
here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search/CirrusSearchFeatures
What it means to volunteer:
If you volunteer your wiki we'll turn CirrusSearch on in "secondary"
mode
where it'll keep itself up to date but all queries will still go through
the
old search. You'll be able to get search results from the new search
engine
for comparison by adding a url parameter to the search results page. If
you
and the community that you represent aren't immediately blown away by
how
much better it works we'll work with you to make it awesome.
At some point, shortly after the new search has been deemed awesome,
we'll
switch CirrusSearch to "primary" mode and all queries will go through
it.
You'll be able to get at the old search results with a url parameter
similar
to the one that you used to test CirrusSearch. If anything goes wrong
we'll
switch you back to the old search. We'll keep that option open for a
few
months.
So who is ready to help make search better?
Nik Everett
[1]: Some languages (20ish) will see a huge improvement because
CirrusSearch
understands their grammar and old search doesn't. Many other languages
will
see an improvement because CirrusSearch is happy to search all kinds of
character sets while the current search isn't. Esperanto is very well
supported by the old search so would get worse. eo wikis should
probably
wait until we've improved support.
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