[Wikimedia Kenya] WikimediaKE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 35

cliff argwings caargwings at gmail.com
Wed Apr 13 07:05:58 UTC 2011 

Helo Good people,

Am new to the group. Someone to please explain to me what you guys are upto
with the registration stuff.
I really don't understand what you guys are discussing.

Regards,

Cliff.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:26 PM, <wikimediake-request at lists.wikimedia.org>wrote:

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>   1. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Oliver Stegen)
>   2. Re: Saturday meetup (oscar okwero)
>   3. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Isaac K. Kosgei )
>   4. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Abbas Mahmood)
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> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:40:50 +0300
> From: "Oliver Stegen" <oliver_stegen at sil.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> To: "'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.'"
>        <wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <8247E8AA55B7427DAA73EB8DDD737EBC at Oliver>
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> Well said, Abbas,
>
> I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and
> requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.
>
> Haya, tusonge mbele!
>
> Oliver (aka BT)
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: wikimediake-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikimediake-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas
> Mahmood
> Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36
> To: Wikimedia Kenya
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300
>
> > From: chriwaustin at gmail.com
> > To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> >
> > Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
> > at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
> > the current stalement behind us ASAP.
> > As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
> > representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
> > other members prior to the voting.
>
>
>
> At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the difference
> of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them
> down
> again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a voting
> matter.
>
>
>
> >An official voting session was
> > then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
> > members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
> > that are supposed to govern us.
> > Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
> > lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
>
>
>
> I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best to
> repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at the
> iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have still
> taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the
> bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.
>
>
> > Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
> > voting date, duration et cetera.
>
>
>
> But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first
> place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires
> voting?
>
>
>
> Lastly, timely and official
> > documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
> > availed to all members.
>
>
>
> What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the
> mailing
> list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on wikimedia.or.ke and on
> etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is up to
> the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the
> discussions on a day-to-day basis.
>
>
> > We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
> > foundation.
>
>
>
> Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the chapters
> are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the well
> being of Wikimedia Kenya.
> > Regards, Riwa.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > WikimediaKE mailing list
> > WikimediaKE at lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: oscar okwero <oscar_okwero at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
> To: Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com>,   "The discussion list for the
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> where at what time?
>
> --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
> To: "Wikimediake Mailing List" <wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:19 PM
>
> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver, Abbas
> and of course me who've confirmed attendance
>
> --Alex
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> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:05:53 +0300
> From: "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> To: oliver_stegen at sil.org,      "The discussion list for the upcoming
>        Wikimedia Kenya chapter."       <wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> I I am sorry I have not been replying to the thread I have cats the
> whole week and exams next week. at least I will be free to contribute
> more from 10th next month when I am through with project and exams.
> on My part I have a few points to make
> 1. A company limited by Guarantee is headed by CEO
> 2. The supporting executive staff are called directors
> 3. The total number of the executive team should be an odd number say
> 5 or seven ( I think somebody had already noted that.
>
> 4. The requirements for registration are MoA- Memorandum of
> Association and AoA- articles of Association
> 5.The registration fee is around 35,000
> 6.There are a minimum of three signatories preferably are CEO,
> Director finance and Director Communications.
> 7. It takes 2-3 weeks for it to be processed from date of application.
> 8. It is advisable to have an internal constitution.
> 9. The other members will be ordinary members.
>
>
> Once the registration is done and you have put everything in place
> then we can thing of expanding by bringingg in a non executive board
> (e.g someone from ICT Board, PS Ministry Communications Kenya,
> Ministry of education )or any other organization this are people whose
> role will be to advise the org.
>
> With that said Can you reflect on thefollowing:
> 1.Set a time frame of activities (Org registration, the MOA and AoA
> writing,internal constitution writing -Abbas should propose that then
> members to second.
> 2.The best way to work on the above is delegation of duties to a small
> group who will write and present to the whole group for amendment and
> approval
>
> All the best as you deliberate will join you from May 10th.
>
>
> On 12/04/2011, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen at sil.org> wrote:
> > Well said, Abbas,
> >
> > I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and
> > requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.
> >
> > Haya, tusonge mbele!
> >
> > Oliver (aka BT)
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: wikimediake-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikimediake-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas
> Mahmood
> > Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36
> > To: Wikimedia Kenya
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300
> >
> >> From: chriwaustin at gmail.com
> >> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> >>
> >> Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
> >> at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
> >> the current stalement behind us ASAP.
> >> As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
> >> representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
> >> other members prior to the voting.
> >
> >
> >
> > At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the
> difference
> > of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them
> down
> > again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a
> voting
> > matter.
> >
> >
> >
> >>An official voting session was
> >> then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
> >> members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
> >> that are supposed to govern us.
> >> Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
> >> lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best
> to
> > repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at the
> > iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have
> still
> > taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the
> > bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.
> >
> >
> >> Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
> >> voting date, duration et cetera.
> >
> >
> >
> > But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first
> > place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires
> > voting?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lastly, timely and official
> >> documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
> >> availed to all members.
> >
> >
> >
> > What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the
> mailing
> > list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on wikimedia.or.ke and on
> > etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is up
> to
> > the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the
> > discussions on a day-to-day basis.
> >
> >
> >> We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
> >> foundation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the chapters
> > are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the
> well
> > being of Wikimedia Kenya.
> >> Regards, Riwa.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> WikimediaKE mailing list
> >> WikimediaKE at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Isaac K. Kosgei.
> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
> Egerton University,
> Njoro Kenya.
> (+254727553981)
> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
> Skype:Kipsizoo
> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
> *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
> *
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:25:56 +0000
> From: Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> To: <kips8505izo at gmail.com>, <oliver_stegen at sil.org>, The discussion
>        list for        the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.
>        <wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU116-W126D48304C6124054F10EECAAB0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Isaac,
>
> a co. Ltd by gyarantee doesnt necessarily have to be led by a CEO  nor do
> the signatories be director finance/communications. It all depends on the
> bylaws: if we want it to be led by a Chairperson, then so be it. And if we
> want the signatories to be, say, 2 board members, that's equally possible.
>
> There is no fixed parameters that we must stick to. As far as I know, we
> have the ability, through the bylaws, to custom-make our protocol the
> Wikimedia way.
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:05:53 +0300
> > From: kips8505izo at gmail.com
> > To: oliver_stegen at sil.org; wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> >
> > I I am sorry I have not been replying to the thread I have cats the
> > whole week and exams next week. at least I will be free to contribute
> > more from 10th next month when I am through with project and exams.
> > on My part I have a few points to make
> > 1. A company limited by Guarantee is headed by CEO
> > 2. The supporting executive staff are called directors
> > 3. The total number of the executive team should be an odd number say
> > 5 or seven ( I think somebody had already noted that.
> >
> > 4. The requirements for registration are MoA- Memorandum of
> > Association and AoA- articles of Association
> > 5.The registration fee is around 35,000
> > 6.There are a minimum of three signatories preferably are CEO,
> > Director finance and Director Communications.
> > 7. It takes 2-3 weeks for it to be processed from date of application.
> > 8. It is advisable to have an internal constitution.
> > 9. The other members will be ordinary members.
> >
> >
> > Once the registration is done and you have put everything in place
> > then we can thing of expanding by bringingg in a non executive board
> > (e.g someone from ICT Board, PS Ministry Communications Kenya,
> > Ministry of education )or any other organization this are people whose
> > role will be to advise the org.
> >
> > With that said Can you reflect on thefollowing:
> > 1.Set a time frame of activities (Org registration, the MOA and AoA
> > writing,internal constitution writing -Abbas should propose that then
> > members to second.
> > 2.The best way to work on the above is delegation of duties to a small
> > group who will write and present to the whole group for amendment and
> > approval
> >
> > All the best as you deliberate will join you from May 10th.
> >
> >
> > On 12/04/2011, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen at sil.org> wrote:
> > > Well said, Abbas,
> > >
> > > I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and
> > > requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.
> > >
> > > Haya, tusonge mbele!
> > >
> > > Oliver (aka BT)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > From: wikimediake-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > > [mailto:wikimediake-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas
> Mahmood
> > > Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36
> > > To: Wikimedia Kenya
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300
> > >
> > >> From: chriwaustin at gmail.com
> > >> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011
> > >>
> > >> Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter
> > >> at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get
> > >> the current stalement behind us ASAP.
> > >> As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our
> > >> representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the
> > >> other members prior to the voting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the
> difference
> > > of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them
> down
> > > again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a
> voting
> > > matter.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>An official voting session was
> > >> then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the
> > >> members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws
> > >> that are supposed to govern us.
> > >> Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the
> > >> lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best
> to
> > > repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at
> the
> > > iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have
> still
> > > taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the
> > > bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.
> > >
> > >
> > >> Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the
> > >> voting date, duration et cetera.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first
> > > place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires
> > > voting?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lastly, timely and official
> > >> documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be
> > >> availed to all members.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the
> mailing
> > > list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on wikimedia.or.ke and on
> > > etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is
> up to
> > > the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the
> > > discussions on a day-to-day basis.
> > >
> > >
> > >> We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the
> > >> foundation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the
> chapters
> > > are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the
> well
> > > being of Wikimedia Kenya.
> > >> Regards, Riwa.
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> WikimediaKE mailing list
> > >> WikimediaKE at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Isaac K. Kosgei.
> > Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
> > Egerton University,
> > Njoro Kenya.
> > (+254727553981)
> > www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
> > Skype:Kipsizoo
> > Twitter:@Kipsizoo
> > *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
> > *
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > WikimediaKE mailing list
> > WikimediaKE at lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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