Helo Good people,<br><br>Am new to the group. Someone to please explain to me what you guys are upto with the registration stuff.<br>I really don't understand what you guys are discussing. <br><br>Regards,<br><br>Cliff.<br>
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1. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Oliver Stegen)<br>
2. Re: Saturday meetup (oscar okwero)<br>
3. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Isaac K. Kosgei )<br>
4. Re: Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011 (Abbas Mahmood)<br>
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:40:50 +0300<br>
From: "Oliver Stegen" <<a href="mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org">oliver_stegen@sil.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
To: "'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.'"<br>
<<a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
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Well said, Abbas,<br>
<br>
I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and<br>
requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.<br>
<br>
Haya, tusonge mbele!<br>
<br>
Oliver (aka BT)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_____<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a>] On Behalf Of Abbas Mahmood<br>
Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36<br>
To: Wikimedia Kenya<br>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300<br>
<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:chriwaustin@gmail.com">chriwaustin@gmail.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
><br>
> Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter<br>
> at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get<br>
> the current stalement behind us ASAP.<br>
> As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our<br>
> representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the<br>
> other members prior to the voting.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the difference<br>
of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them down<br>
again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a voting<br>
matter.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
>An official voting session was<br>
> then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the<br>
> members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws<br>
> that are supposed to govern us.<br>
> Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the<br>
> lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best to<br>
repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at the<br>
iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have still<br>
taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the<br>
bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the<br>
> voting date, duration et cetera.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first<br>
place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires<br>
voting?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Lastly, timely and official<br>
> documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be<br>
> availed to all members.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the mailing<br>
list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on <a href="http://wikimedia.or.ke" target="_blank">wikimedia.or.ke</a> and on<br>
etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is up to<br>
the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the<br>
discussions on a day-to-day basis.<br>
<br>
<br>
> We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the<br>
> foundation.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the chapters<br>
are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the well<br>
being of Wikimedia Kenya.<br>
> Regards, Riwa.<br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:34:25 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: oscar okwero <<a href="mailto:oscar_okwero@yahoo.com">oscar_okwero@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup<br>
To: Alex Wafula <<a href="mailto:xelawafs@yahoo.com">xelawafs@yahoo.com</a>>, "The discussion list for the<br>
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where at what time?<br>
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From: Alex Wafula <<a href="mailto:xelawafs@yahoo.com">xelawafs@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup<br>
To: "Wikimediake Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:19 PM<br>
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So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver, Abbas and of course me who've confirmed attendance<br>
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:05:53 +0300<br>
From: "Isaac K. Kosgei " <<a href="mailto:kips8505izo@gmail.com">kips8505izo@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
To: <a href="mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org">oliver_stegen@sil.org</a>, "The discussion list for the upcoming<br>
Wikimedia Kenya chapter." <<a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
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I I am sorry I have not been replying to the thread I have cats the<br>
whole week and exams next week. at least I will be free to contribute<br>
more from 10th next month when I am through with project and exams.<br>
on My part I have a few points to make<br>
1. A company limited by Guarantee is headed by CEO<br>
2. The supporting executive staff are called directors<br>
3. The total number of the executive team should be an odd number say<br>
5 or seven ( I think somebody had already noted that.<br>
<br>
4. The requirements for registration are MoA- Memorandum of<br>
Association and AoA- articles of Association<br>
5.The registration fee is around 35,000<br>
6.There are a minimum of three signatories preferably are CEO,<br>
Director finance and Director Communications.<br>
7. It takes 2-3 weeks for it to be processed from date of application.<br>
8. It is advisable to have an internal constitution.<br>
9. The other members will be ordinary members.<br>
<br>
<br>
Once the registration is done and you have put everything in place<br>
then we can thing of expanding by bringingg in a non executive board<br>
(e.g someone from ICT Board, PS Ministry Communications Kenya,<br>
Ministry of education )or any other organization this are people whose<br>
role will be to advise the org.<br>
<br>
With that said Can you reflect on thefollowing:<br>
1.Set a time frame of activities (Org registration, the MOA and AoA<br>
writing,internal constitution writing -Abbas should propose that then<br>
members to second.<br>
2.The best way to work on the above is delegation of duties to a small<br>
group who will write and present to the whole group for amendment and<br>
approval<br>
<br>
All the best as you deliberate will join you from May 10th.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 12/04/2011, Oliver Stegen <<a href="mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org">oliver_stegen@sil.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Well said, Abbas,<br>
><br>
> I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and<br>
> requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.<br>
><br>
> Haya, tusonge mbele!<br>
><br>
> Oliver (aka BT)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> _____<br>
><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a>] On Behalf Of Abbas Mahmood<br>
> Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36<br>
> To: Wikimedia Kenya<br>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300<br>
><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:chriwaustin@gmail.com">chriwaustin@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
>><br>
>> Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter<br>
>> at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get<br>
>> the current stalement behind us ASAP.<br>
>> As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our<br>
>> representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the<br>
>> other members prior to the voting.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the difference<br>
> of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them down<br>
> again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a voting<br>
> matter.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>>An official voting session was<br>
>> then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the<br>
>> members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws<br>
>> that are supposed to govern us.<br>
>> Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the<br>
>> lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best to<br>
> repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at the<br>
> iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have still<br>
> taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the<br>
> bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the<br>
>> voting date, duration et cetera.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first<br>
> place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires<br>
> voting?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Lastly, timely and official<br>
>> documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be<br>
>> availed to all members.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the mailing<br>
> list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on <a href="http://wikimedia.or.ke" target="_blank">wikimedia.or.ke</a> and on<br>
> etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is up to<br>
> the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the<br>
> discussions on a day-to-day basis.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the<br>
>> foundation.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the chapters<br>
> are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the well<br>
> being of Wikimedia Kenya.<br>
>> Regards, Riwa.<br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> WikimediaKE mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org">WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake" target="_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake</a><br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Isaac K. Kosgei.<br>
Bachelor of Agribusiness Management<br>
Egerton University,<br>
Njoro Kenya.<br>
(+254727553981)<br>
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo</a><br>
Skype:Kipsizoo<br>
Twitter:@Kipsizoo<br>
*"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi<br>
*<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:25:56 +0000<br>
From: Abbas Mahmood <<a href="mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com">abbasjnr@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:kips8505izo@gmail.com">kips8505izo@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org">oliver_stegen@sil.org</a>>, The discussion<br>
list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.<br>
<<a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br>
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Isaac,<br>
<br>
a co. Ltd by gyarantee doesnt necessarily have to be led by a CEO nor do the signatories be director finance/communications. It all depends on the bylaws: if we want it to be led by a Chairperson, then so be it. And if we want the signatories to be, say, 2 board members, that's equally possible.<br>
<br>
There is no fixed parameters that we must stick to. As far as I know, we have the ability, through the bylaws, to custom-make our protocol the Wikimedia way.<br>
<br>
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:05:53 +0300<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:kips8505izo@gmail.com">kips8505izo@gmail.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org">oliver_stegen@sil.org</a>; <a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
><br>
> I I am sorry I have not been replying to the thread I have cats the<br>
> whole week and exams next week. at least I will be free to contribute<br>
> more from 10th next month when I am through with project and exams.<br>
> on My part I have a few points to make<br>
> 1. A company limited by Guarantee is headed by CEO<br>
> 2. The supporting executive staff are called directors<br>
> 3. The total number of the executive team should be an odd number say<br>
> 5 or seven ( I think somebody had already noted that.<br>
><br>
> 4. The requirements for registration are MoA- Memorandum of<br>
> Association and AoA- articles of Association<br>
> 5.The registration fee is around 35,000<br>
> 6.There are a minimum of three signatories preferably are CEO,<br>
> Director finance and Director Communications.<br>
> 7. It takes 2-3 weeks for it to be processed from date of application.<br>
> 8. It is advisable to have an internal constitution.<br>
> 9. The other members will be ordinary members.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Once the registration is done and you have put everything in place<br>
> then we can thing of expanding by bringingg in a non executive board<br>
> (e.g someone from ICT Board, PS Ministry Communications Kenya,<br>
> Ministry of education )or any other organization this are people whose<br>
> role will be to advise the org.<br>
><br>
> With that said Can you reflect on thefollowing:<br>
> 1.Set a time frame of activities (Org registration, the MOA and AoA<br>
> writing,internal constitution writing -Abbas should propose that then<br>
> members to second.<br>
> 2.The best way to work on the above is delegation of duties to a small<br>
> group who will write and present to the whole group for amendment and<br>
> approval<br>
><br>
> All the best as you deliberate will join you from May 10th.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 12/04/2011, Oliver Stegen <<a href="mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org">oliver_stegen@sil.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Well said, Abbas,<br>
> ><br>
> > I wholeheartedly support us going ahead with co.ltd by guarantee and<br>
> > requesting the lawyer to suggest changes to our bylaws accordingly.<br>
> ><br>
> > Haya, tusonge mbele!<br>
> ><br>
> > Oliver (aka BT)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > _____<br>
> ><br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org</a>] On Behalf Of Abbas Mahmood<br>
> > Sent: 11 April 2011 15:36<br>
> > To: Wikimedia Kenya<br>
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hello,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:43:12 +0300<br>
> ><br>
> >> From: <a href="mailto:chriwaustin@gmail.com">chriwaustin@gmail.com</a><br>
> >> To: <a href="mailto:wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org">wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Meetup Minutes: 09/04/2011<br>
> >><br>
> >> Greetings, the issue of registering the chapter is a pressing matter<br>
> >> at the moment. Its therefore my appeal to all of us to ensure we get<br>
> >> the current stalement behind us ASAP.<br>
> >> As mentioned at the meeting, proceedings between the lawyer and our<br>
> >> representatives were to be posted; so as to act as a guidance for the<br>
> >> other members prior to the voting.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > At this stage, I'm assuming that the active members all know the difference<br>
> > of a trust, society and co. ltd by guarantee. I don't mind writing them down<br>
> > again, but the issue that has just been raised is that this is not a voting<br>
> > matter.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >>An official voting session was<br>
> >> then to be organized where the legal vehicle selected by most of the<br>
> >> members will prevail. However, of greater importance were the by-laws<br>
> >> that are supposed to govern us.<br>
> >> Therefore, a greater responsibility lies to those liasing with the<br>
> >> lawyer in educating the rest of the members before we get to vote.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I am the person liaising with the lawyer and I have tried my level best to<br>
> > repeat over and over again what he told me and the ones that were at the<br>
> > iHub meetup. And, despite Oscar being tired of this monotony, I have still<br>
> > taken the initiative to answer most, if not all, queries regarding the<br>
> > bylaws and the legal mechanism to the best of my ability.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Moreover, we need to set reasonable time-limits for instance the<br>
> >> voting date, duration et cetera.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > But the issue here is that some people don't want to vote in the first<br>
> > place. So why set a voting date, if this is not an issue that requires<br>
> > voting?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Lastly, timely and official<br>
> >> documentation of any proceedings, sessions and occurences need to be<br>
> >> availed to all members.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > What documents, in particular? If it is the minutes, they are on the mailing<br>
> > list. If it's the bylaws, they are on meta, on <a href="http://wikimedia.or.ke" target="_blank">wikimedia.or.ke</a> and on<br>
> > etherpad. As far as I know, all important documents are shared. It is up to<br>
> > the members themselves to take an initiative of keenly following up the<br>
> > discussions on a day-to-day basis.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> We need to get words into action immediately for the well being of the<br>
> >> foundation.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Not for the well being of the Foundation. The Foundation and the chapters<br>
> > are two different entities. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's for the well<br>
> > being of Wikimedia Kenya.<br>
> >> Regards, Riwa.<br>
> >><br>
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