On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Isaac K. Kosgei kips8505izo@gmail.comwrote:
Dear Oscar, About the Etherpad issue you should have explained everything clearly, thanks to stave am getting the password today.
Kosgei, I don't mean to be rude but I shared the password long time ago.Maybe you don't read your emails carefully.We already have existing bylaws and am not sure you have looked at them.We are doing something "simple and stupid"...why don't you come to the pad and air the pros and cons of your thought?
My point to you is Why don't register it as a company limited by
Guarantee? ---NOT FOR PROFIT MAKING:::look at it along those lines and if you are OK with that Obadiah and I can assist in drafting the constitution (MOA and AOA). at least we have managed to go through the process and successful registered one of that Kind
On 05/04/2011, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, I am not so happy with this empty talk of you guys.We need to forge ahead and focus on the Chapter. I shared the etherpad for discusiion of the By-lwas only a fistful of the "usual susspects" loged in and contributed to the same.So shame on you if you did not log into the same and you have your mouth wide open chanting-----well my apologies
We need to focus on the bylwas and work on timelines.for instance we need
to
say like after 14days after sharing the etherpad,the final discussions
and
contributions will be deemed binding to the whole Chapter.So lets show
oour
commitement and discuss the bylaws.its a shame that some of us have never even read the existing bylaws so it would be very difficult to make a
good
contribution....also read from other Chapters and make wise and learned contributions.....
see
- Wikimedia Chapters-
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters&diff=0&am...
- The Etherpad(password-wikimediakenya)----
http://oslimoke.ietherpad.com/1 3. WikimediaKE Bylaws-- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/bylaws
Regards, and see u at the pad.....
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com
wrote:
let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money
into
a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the
concerned
parties.
And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's from the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so
long
as it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if
you
receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax
out
of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700 From: bruceobwari@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i
do
echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having listened to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging
others
we need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it was crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was
extensively
used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues if
we
don't address the issue of formality, On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our
tax
obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax,
pay
as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera lireshi@yahoo.com wrote:
Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't
think
there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters
dealing
with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster
we
develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big
and
soon
the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with
signatories.
Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so
that
we
can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall
miss
this and many more partnerships to come.
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000 From: sarahosano@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
Hello Steve, I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we
will
be
asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the
foundation,I
dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in
personal
account. At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky
to
form such a partnership.It is a great idea though. Regards
Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
>I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a
personal
> account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first > place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could > directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money > passing into our hands. > >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at
this
> stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet. > >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual
trust
in
> us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had > nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex,
since
> it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an > official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do > so. > >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I
was
in
> Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the
reason
why
> the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want
us
to
> make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is > softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we
make
> a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer. > >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes.
I
> remain skeptical and await to see other reactions. > >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300 >From: wanjaustev@gmail.com >To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think? > >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director
Of
> TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his
too
> because his is already a company. > >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said
they
> were sent by TSLG and then went ahead. > >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at
'their
> station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school > administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers
from
> schools by TSLG! > > >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit
money
> into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same
and
its
> bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should
be
> taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that > means) > > >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median
and
> do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law. > >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing
ourselves
at
> the schools we visited! > > >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures > to > register as a legal entity. > >Cheers, > >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <
bruceobwari@gmail.com
> wrote: > > >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD >we had a very >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of
a
>formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication
from
> the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the
chapters
> heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar, > > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next
few
>days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
meeting.
> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
scheduled
to
> occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation
if
we
>are formally engaged. > > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and > giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by > incorporating two members from our team , > > The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so
we
> urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that, > > > > > rgds , > > Steve and Bruce. >- Show quoted text - > > > > >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <
bruceobwari@gmail.com
> wrote: > > > > >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came
was
the
> issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal > communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official > communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar, > > > > > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he > would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next
few
> days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
meeting.
> He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was > scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our > participation if we are formally engaged. > > > > > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and > giving them the content >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <
oscar_okwero@yahoo.com>
> wrote: > > > > > > > > >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our > members. > >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > >From: Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com > >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think? >To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM > > > > > >Hey Branton, > >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these > guys > next and get more details on this. > >Cheers, >Alex. > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >WikimediaKE mailing list >WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >WikimediaKE mailing list > >WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org > >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >WikimediaKE mailing list > >WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org > >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake > > > > >-- >Stephen Wathika WanjauJomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture And > Technology.Bsc. Mathematics (Statistics) and Computer
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