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> Regards,
> and see u at the pad.....
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Abbas Mahmood <
abbasjnr@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money into
>> a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the concerned
>> parties.
>>
>> And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's from
>> the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so long
>> as
>> it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if you
>> receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax out
>> of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
>>
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>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700
>> From:
bruceobwari@gmail.com
>>
>> To:
wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>>
>> First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i do
>> echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having
>> listened
>> to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging others
>> we
>> need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it was
>> crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on
>> individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was extensively
>> used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues if we
>> don't address the issue of formality,
>> On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our tax
>> obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax, pay
>> as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau
>> <
wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
>> framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
>>
>> On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera <
lireshi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think
>> > there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing
>> > with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we
>> > develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and
>> soon
>> > the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories.
>> > Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
>> >
>> > On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>> >
>> >>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that
>> we
>> >> can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss
>> >> this and many more partnerships to come.
>> >>
>> >>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
>> >>> From:
sarahosano@gmail.com
>> >>> To:
wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello Steve,
>> >>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will
>> be
>> >>> asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the
>> foundation,I
>> >>> dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal
>> >>> account.
>> >>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to
>> >>> form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
>> >>> Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Abbas Mahmood <
abbasjnr@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal
>> >>> > account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first
>> >>> > place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could
>> >>> > directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money
>> >>> > passing into our hands.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this
>> >>> > stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust
>> in
>> >>> > us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had
>> >>> > nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex,
>> since
>> >>> > it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an
>> >>> > official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do
>> >>> > so.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was
>> in
>> >>> > Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason
>> why
>> >>> > the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us
>> to
>> >>> > make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is
>> >>> > softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we
>> make
>> >>> > a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I
>> >>> > remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>> >>> >From:
wanjaustev@gmail.com
>> >>> >To:
wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of
>> >>> > TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his
>> too
>> >>> > because his is already a company.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said
>> they
>> >>> > were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their
>> >>> > station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school
>> >>> > administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers
>> from
>> >>> > schools by TSLG!
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit
>> money
>> >>> > into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and
>> its
>> >>> > bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be
>> >>> > taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that
>> >>> > means)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median
>> and
>> >>> > do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves
>> at
>> >>> > the schools we visited!
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > register as a legal entity.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Cheers,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <
bruceobwari@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>> >>> >we had a very
>> >>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
>> >>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication
>> from
>> >>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the
>> chapters
>> >>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>> >>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>> >>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
>> meeting.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled
>> to
>> >>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if
>> we
>> >>> >are formally engaged.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
>> >>> > giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by
>> >>> > incorporating two members from our team ,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we
>> >>> > urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > rgds ,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Steve and Bruce.
>> >>> >- Show quoted text -
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <
bruceobwari@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>> >>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was
>> the
>> >>> > issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal
>> >>> > communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official
>> >>> > communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>> >>> > would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>> >>> > days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
>> meeting.
>> >>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
>> >>> > scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our
>> >>> > participation if we are formally engaged.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
>> >>> > giving them the content
>> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <
oscar_okwero@yahoo.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our
>> >>> > members.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <
xelawafs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >From: Alex Wafula <
xelawafs@yahoo.com>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >>> >To:
wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Hey Branton,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these
>> >>> > guys
>> >>> > next and get more details on this.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Cheers,
>> >>> >Alex.
>> >>> >
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