[Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

[Sean Whitton]

Clearly this needs to be escalated to Group Contact level. White Cat,
please e-mail me off-list and we can work it out over e-mail - it is
well within my role as deputy contact. However, foundation-l is not
the right place for it and I would hope this be the last post to the
thread.

Sean

On 11/12/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> So you are saying freenode staffers lie? They told me to contact the
> foundation should I have problems resolving the issue with the
> wikimedia contacts. There needs to be a backup system and I am seeking
> the establishment of it.
>
> Do you remember the chaos stemming from the Essjay controversy? He was
> (to my knowledge) the IRC contact at the time. I seriously doubt
> similar problems will surface with JamesF or seanw but should
> something happen where would people go?
>
> The foundation should be prepared for such situations.
>
>         - White Cat
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 8:29 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 2007 7:15 PM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > OTRS? Under whose directive do the have greater authority than
> > > wikimedia contacts? They certainly are not the right address for such
> > > issues.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > >
> > > I already explained this issue cannot be resolved on IRC JamesF is
> > > busy. Seanw may help but this issue probably exceeded his deputy role
> > > as a deputy contact.
> > >
> >
> > How so?
> >
> > > My complaint isn't over the specific issue involving me. We have a
> > > large gap between the foundation and the wikimedia contacts. If users
> > > have problems with wikimedia contacts or if the wikimedia contacts are
> > > not available for whatever the reason I should be able to resolve the
> > > issue somehow. Right now thats the gap and the point of this inquiry.
> > >
> > The issue is that the foundation has declined and (to my knowledge)
> > further declines to become involved with IRC by officialising the
> > current inofficial 'Wikimedia' group on Freenode. You can like this or
> > not, but as long as the foundation is not involved with this,
> > foundation-l is the wrong place to discuss it. Full stop.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > >        - White Cat
> > >
> > > On Nov 12, 2007 7:59 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:53 PM, Comet styles <cometstyles at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing lists but
> > > > > it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in
> > > > > which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it, take
> > > > > it to OTRS.
> > > >
> > > > I agree with everything up to the last point. How and why on earth
> > > > should OTRS people be asked to deal with such things? At least some of
> > > > the OTRS people don't even use IRC and I don't why they, as Wikimedia
> > > > Support Team, should become involved with intra-community issues...
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Where am I supposed to post it then?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     - White Cat
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that particular IRC
> > > > > > > > channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically, and this
> > > > > > > > incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic category, I
> > > > > > > > suppose ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my opinion about
> > > > > > > > that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > Yes this is SO offtopic:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/030884.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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