[Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

[Michael Bimmler]

Note to White Cat:
This is now a 25-posts-thread and in this whole thread, there was not
a single person who agreed with your feeling that this needs to be
discussed on foundation-l.
Thus, I advise you to discontinue discussion of this topic on
foundation-l and find a more appropriate forum for it. I will allow
myself to put you on moderation, should you continue this discussion
in ignorance of this note. (By the way: Don't try the censorship
argument, you'll lose with it)

Michael

On Nov 12, 2007 10:18 PM, Philippe Beaudette
<philippebeaudette at gmail.com> wrote:
> That has got to be the king of all straw man arguments.
>
> Philippe
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "White Cat" <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:25 PM
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts
>
> > So you are saying freenode staffers lie? They told me to contact the
> > foundation should I have problems resolving the issue with the
> > wikimedia contacts. There needs to be a backup system and I am seeking
> > the establishment of it.
> >
> > Do you remember the chaos stemming from the Essjay controversy? He was
> > (to my knowledge) the IRC contact at the time. I seriously doubt
> > similar problems will surface with JamesF or seanw but should
> > something happen where would people go?
> >
> > The foundation should be prepared for such situations.
> >
> >        - White Cat
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2007 8:29 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 12, 2007 7:15 PM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > OTRS? Under whose directive do the have greater authority than
> >> > wikimedia contacts? They certainly are not the right address for such
> >> > issues.
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I already explained this issue cannot be resolved on IRC JamesF is
> >> > busy. Seanw may help but this issue probably exceeded his deputy role
> >> > as a deputy contact.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How so?
> >>
> >> > My complaint isn't over the specific issue involving me. We have a
> >> > large gap between the foundation and the wikimedia contacts. If users
> >> > have problems with wikimedia contacts or if the wikimedia contacts are
> >> > not available for whatever the reason I should be able to resolve the
> >> > issue somehow. Right now thats the gap and the point of this inquiry.
> >> >
> >> The issue is that the foundation has declined and (to my knowledge)
> >> further declines to become involved with IRC by officialising the
> >> current inofficial 'Wikimedia' group on Freenode. You can like this or
> >> not, but as long as the foundation is not involved with this,
> >> foundation-l is the wrong place to discuss it. Full stop.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >> >        - White Cat
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 12, 2007 7:59 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:53 PM, Comet styles <cometstyles at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing lists
> >> > > > but
> >> > > > it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in
> >> > > > which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it,
> >> > > > take
> >> > > > it to OTRS.
> >> > >
> >> > > I agree with everything up to the last point. How and why on earth
> >> > > should OTRS people be asked to deal with such things? At least some
> >> > > of
> >> > > the OTRS people don't even use IRC and I don't why they, as Wikimedia
> >> > > Support Team, should become involved with intra-community issues...
> >> > >
> >> > > Michael
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat
> >> > > > <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > Where am I supposed to post it then?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >     - White Cat
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > Hello,
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 at gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that
> >> > > > > > > particular IRC
> >> > > > > > > channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically,
> >> > > > > > > and this
> >> > > > > > > incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic
> >> > > > > > > category, I
> >> > > > > > > suppose ...
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my
> >> > > > > > > opinion about
> >> > > > > > > that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > KIZU Naoko
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> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Yes this is SO offtopic:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/030884.html
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
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> >> > > > --
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