Hello Oliver,
Let me use Cantonese (yue) and Hakka (hak) as examples to illustrate
some possibilities. Just the population data points.
Have a look at the Ethnologue data http://www.ethnologue.com/language/yueandhttp://www.ethnologue.com/language/hak
Note that you should see the population number in China and also other
places in the world (under the section of "Also Spoken In") There are also
other data points such as "status" and "writing".
Then one can look up the CLDR's Language-Territory or Territory-Language
information, the entries for Cantonese and Hakka does not exist yet.
Note also that both Cantonese and Hakka have their own language versions
of Wikipedia (zh-yue and hak). The coding and naming needs a table here for
data integration.
Now, as tertiary sources that integrates other data points,
Wikipedia/Wikidata can get the data points from Ethnologue to enrich its
content.
These data points would be important baseline for almost any human
language-based Wikipedia projects to identify their potential editors.
The current active editors of small and medium size language Wikipedia
projects should be interested in getting hold of such data. Also, they may
know more updated and reliable data ahead of Ethnologue.
For traffic data reports, a Cantonese Wikipedian can then normalize the
viewing and editing traffic data against the population data, thereby
identifying the "per speaker capita" number for the viewing/editing
traffic.
I have done some normalization work (or geolinguistic normalization) for
languages such as Spanish and Arabic where the CLDR's Language-Territory or
Territory-Language information data. The surprising results are that for
Spanish, per captia editing traffic are the highest in Germany, Paraguay,
Uruguay and Spain; per capita viewing traffic are the highest in Paraguay,
Spain, Chile, etc. For Arabic, per capita editing traffic are the highest
in Kuwait, Baharain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, UAE, etc; per capita
viewing traffic are the highest in Israel, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc.
I personally believe such data curation, when supported by better and
expected-to-be-improved geolinguistic data population data points now
available in Ethnologue and other sources that different language
Wikipedians may know, would be useful to Wikipedians first.
In short, I did not intend to ask Wikipedians or the Wikimedia research
staff to do extra "original research". My suggestions aim to parse the
traffic data one level down from either language or territory to the more
specific language-territory aggregate so as better inform development
strategies and academic research on Wikipedia.
Overall, I think it is viable to construct a data process to show what
need to be done and what can be achieved. The showing-by-doing approach can
show some results first with infographics for language versions that are
more data-ready (e.g. Arabic and Spanish). Then other language versions can
strive to fill the now *identified* data gaps by contributing data points
through Wikipedia and Wikidata projects. What is needed then is a database
and expert pool of territory-language and language-territory information
across Wikipedia projects. It can be as simple and as straightforward to
have a Wikidata object of geo-lingustic population for any
territory-language combinations, potentially with existing translations
made possible by Wikidata, then the traffic/viewing data reports can be (1)
localized/translated into different languages automatically and (2)
geo-linguistically normalized to show the current outreach of a language
Wikipedia per language-speaker.
The above are only my current rough and initial thoughts. Please let me
know if the ideas or expressions are not clear enough.
Best,
han-teng liao
2014-05-19 7:35 GMT+08:00 Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>:
> Could you give an example of what we could do better than CLDR or the
> relevant ISO standards?
>
>
> On 18 May 2014 10:06, h <hanteng(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Nemo,
>>
>> As I am waiting for a more complete response, I am not sure that I
>> understand your last "No" as in "No, we definitely can't" means. To
>> clarify, take the CLDR supplement Language-Territory information for
>> example
>>
>> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/language_territory_i…
>>
>> One can suggest additions of the data point by submitting sourced
>> numbers for a geo-linguistic population like this:
>> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/newticket?&description=%3Cterritory%2c%20speak…
>>
>> In Wikipedia articles and Wikidata pages, there are many attempts to
>> provide more updated and better sourced data points. I see the potentials
>> in exchanging such data, curating them better in Wikidata projects as more
>> detailed and dynamic source than the CLDR.
>>
>> These data points will have extra benefits in curating traffic data.
>> For one, these geo-linguistic population data points would be useful to
>> normalize traffic data for further analysis, such as geographic
>> normalization. For another, they provide important reference data for the
>> development strategies and policies of the Wikipedia projects.
>>
>> Best,
>> han-teng liao
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-05-18 16:23 GMT+08:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions. Just some quick pointers below.
>>>
>>> h, 18/05/2014 08:26:
>>>
>>>> (I-A). Tabulate the data points in absolute numbers first, not
>>>> percentage numbers [...]
>>>>
>>>> (I-B). Include all language versions for the *editing traffic* report as
>>>> well. [...]
>>>>
>>>> (I-C). Provide static data objects in more accessible format (i.e. csv
>>>> and/or json). [...]
>>>>
>>>> (II-A). Putting viewing traffic and editing traffic report on the same
>>>> page. [...]
>>>>
>>>> (II-B). Organizing and archiving the traffic reports for historical
>>>> comparison. [...]
>>>>
>>>> (I-C). Provide dynamic data objects in more accessible format (i.e. csv
>>>> and/or json).
>>>>
>>>
>>> At least the first four are "just" changes in the WikiStats reports
>>> formatting, personally I encourage you to submit patches: <
>>> https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/analytics%2Fwikistats.git> (should be
>>> the "squids" directory, but there is some ongoing refactoring of the repos).
>>>
>>> On archives and "history rewriting"/reports regeneration, see also
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46198
>>>
>>> [...] (III-B). Smaller (i.e more specific) geographic aggregate units.
>>>>
>>>> The country (geographic) information is often based on geo-IP databases,
>>>> and sometimes provincial and city-level data would be available.
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-April/075964.html
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ( I know that the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR Version 25
>>>> <http://cldr.unicode.org/index/downloads/cldr-25>)
>>>> provides“language-territory”
>>>> <http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/
>>>> language_territory_information.html>or
>>>> “territory-language”
>>>> <http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/
>>>> territory_language_information.html>unit-based
>>>>
>>>> charts, but I believe that the Wikimedia projects can use and build one
>>>> better..) [...]
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, we definitely can't, not alone. I've asked for help, please
>>> contribute: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_
>>> Selector/FAQ#How_does_Universal_Language_Selector_
>>> determine_which_languages_I_may_understand>.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nemo
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Excuse me if I use HTML, I hope it won't bother you too much but there
are lots of links. You can find the issue online, as always:
http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Wikimedia_news/numero_29/en
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*W i K i M e D i A N e W s* no. 29 - July 19, 2010
Official bulletin from Wikimedia Italia Association.
TOC
* 1 Editorial <#Editorial>
* 2 What happened during last months <#What_happened_during_last_months>
* 3 Special on Digital Freedoms Festival
<#Special_on_Digital_Freedoms_Festival>
o 3.1 Events <#Events>
* 4 What will happen next months <#What_will_happen_next_months>
* 5 News from our groups <#News_from_our_groups>
o 5.1 Wikimedia Roma <#Wikimedia_Roma>
+ 5.1.1 New premises for Wikimedia Italia!
<#New_premises_for_Wikimedia_Italia.21>
o 5.2 GLAM <#GLAM>
* 6 News from our projects <#News_from_our_projects>
o 6.1 News from Biblioteca <#News_from_Biblioteca>
o 6.2 News from Wiki@Home <#News_from_Wiki.40Home>
+ 6.2.1 We need volunteers <#We_need_volunteers>
* 7 News from WMF projects <#News_from_WMF_projects>
* 8 News from the Board <#News_from_the_Board>
* 9 Monthly strip <#Monthly_strip>
* 10 Featured Wikimedian/Picture of the month
<#Featured_Wikimedian.2FPicture_of_the_month>
Editorial
After a heated internal debate about the reasons and motives that we
have and led to the creation of Wikimedia Italia, we decided - better:
on Frieda's suggestion I decided - to ask directly to our members, and
generally to those who would care to respond, what role WMI should have
in their opinion.
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<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:Conosci_wmi.png>
Do you know WMI?
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What is Wikimedia Italia?
From the questionnaire it seems evident that Wikimedia Italy has a
problem of identity. Most respondents, while claiming to know us, have
in fact a wrong idea of the role of WMI: many of them confuse us with
WMF or the alleged "maintainers of Wikipedia". Few really know who we
are and cite our aim correctly, /to spread free culture/- even if they
often think we simply promote wiki projects, and even among these people
our role is not always clear and understood.
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<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:Sei_iscritto_ad_un_progetto.png>
Do you participate to a wiki project?
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<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:Wmf_e.png>
WMF is?
On the one hand we act as WMF, collecting donations through the
sitenotice - by the way someone thinks it is an abuse of power, on the
other hand we are not doing the things that the foundation should do but
did not always, first of all protection from all legal issues related to
Wikipedia, and their clarification.
Proposed changes to our action could be divided into two categories:
* changes not acceptable, because we don't want or cannot put them
into practice. We should make an effort to explain why we cannot
nor want to have direct responsibility in Wikipedia, and why we
want to emphasize that we are something different and distinct
from Wikipedia.
* changes potentially acceptable, or proposals we already take care
of and that maybe nobody knows.
I will present a more detailed version of the result of the survey in
September: for the time being, here there is a brief annotated list of
some of the proposals that I believe fall under the second category.
1. Keep media relations. We are already moving in this area, but we
could obviously do more to improve our image.
2. Lobbying. Having more visibility, see above, would allow us to
exert some political pressure.
3. Relations with the "civil society". Establish relationships with
cultural institutions, authors, publishers and so on. We are
already doing it, or at least we try, but it does not seem this is
well known.
4. Distributed presence. Our new base in Rome seems a step in this
direction.
5. Use resources to free content (digitizing). We are talking about
this at this very time: as soon as we'll have something concrete
we will publicize it.
6. Create a DVD of Wikipedia. Apart from the traditional problem of
finding a publisher, now we have a further problem: the use of the
logo, and the associated economic agreements, must be agreed
directly with Wikimedia Foundation.
DracoRoboter <http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Utente:DracoRoboter>
What happened during last months
Note: all links are in Italian
* January
o Aubrey and Laurentius teached Tuscany librarians about
Wikipedia and Progetto Comuni. See #GLAM.
o Massimiliano Navacchia took part in Accessibility e CMS Camp
2010 in Bologna.
* February
o VirtualSkiz made a report during the event Sentieri Digitali
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Sentieri_Digitali>.
o Laurentius took part in Caffè-Scienza /From Free Software to
Wikipedia: collaborating in a network
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Dal_software_libero_a_Wikipedia:_collabor…>/.
o Roman members organized a WikiTrip
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Raduni/Roma_WikiGita_febbraio_20…>
to Anzio and Landing Museum.
* March
o LaPizia, supported by Marcok, Cotton and Jaakko, teached two
lessons to present Wikipedia at the Faculty of Economics,
University Ca 'Foscari, at the kind invitation of Professor
Micelli: report of the day
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Associazione:Venezia_2010>.
MarcoK <http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Utente:Marcok>
reports:
+ On Tuesday, March 2, 2010, we were invited - through
"LaPizia
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Utente:LaPizia>"
a.k.a. Annalety - to cooperate with the Faculty of
Economics Ca' Foscari in Venice for two lectures held
by professor Stefano Micelli (Dept. of Economics and
Management) and Alessandro De Rossi (researcher).
Alessandro follows us since long ago, and he made one
of the first studies on the most active Wikipedians
(some of us have even met him in person at our
events). In addition to the LaPizia there were Marcok,
Cotton and Jaakko. After a general introduction about
the tools of Web 2.0 by Alessandro, Anna overviewed
Wikipedia, then gave way to many students' questions
to which everyone of us responded in turn. 60 students
participated overall (40 in the first class and 20 in
the second), I think all from the M.Sc. courses in
Economics. Apart from the interest in the subject (by
teacher and students) we however noticed that while
everyone knew and used Wikipedia, only one in 60
college students had changed (once and as an
anonymous) a Wikipedia article, while at least 30% of
them did not even know that the contents could be
altered, also without being registered. This
unexpected result can be attributed at least in part -
according to Professor Micelli - to our "assuming"
Wikipedia rules for granted by everyone. Only a small
proportion of students reported that they found errors
on Wikipedia, mostly spelling-related (and we know
that large or small errors there are in all entries of
Wikipedia and all other encyclopedias). A student made
the interesting observation, interesting that the main
page does not give much importance to the fact that
the contents of the Encyclopedia are changeable, so
that he did not realize it. Overall the day was
interesting and useful.
o Frieda teached in Bocconi University in the course Strategy
and governance of cultural organizzations, about Wikipedia
business model. Here
<http://www.slideshare.net/ubifrieda/the-wikipedia-model-3376984>
the slides (in English).
o Laurentius and IgnLig took part to a meeting organized by
Firenze Linux User Group Here
<http://www.slideshare.net/ignazio71/wikipmediaefirenze-090714053012-phpapp0…>
the slides.
o General assembly of Wikimedia Italia in Pistoia (public page
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Raduni/Pistoia_2010_Assemblea_WMI>):
2009 financial report
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Bilancio_consuntivo_2009>
and 2010 budget
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Bilancio_preventivo_2010>
were approved.
o March 26th, Torino: international meeting Extracting Value
From Public Sector Information: Legal Framework and
Regional Policies at Aula Magna and Aula Allara of the
Rectorate of the University, in the framework of EVPSI
project
<http://www.epsiplatform.eu/news/news/evpsi_public_launch>.
.mau. took part to the afternoon session (Focus on Italy)
with a speech "Obstacles to Accessing and Re-using (Italian)
Cultural PSI on Wikipedia", listing the problems Wikipedia
faces in trying to reuse public data, in coping with Italian
copyright laws and in pushing for free licenses. English
abstract
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:EVSPI-abstract-eng.odt>
and slide
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:EVPSI-slide-eng.odp>
here.
o Marcok took part in meeting Didattica aperta - Libero
accesso a software e saperi nella Scuola e nell'Università
(Open education - free access to software and knowledge at
school and university) with a poster.
* May
o May 7th: CristianCantoro took part in Internet Ergo Sum,
here in depth <http://blog.popolis.it/7maggio2010/>, talking
about Wikipedia in a high school in Leno (Brescia): themes
are Wikipedia and freedom in the Net, which most students
found interesting. With him Guido Nardo, former Facebook's
developer and social network specialist, presenting social
networks e talking about the problem with the use of
Facebook and privacy on the Internet. In the afternoon the
workshop on Wikipedia had a good success among students,
even if it was optional; it was structured as a tutorial for
the prospective editors.
o Wikimedia Italia organized Festival delle Libertà Digitali
(see next section)
o Schio (VI): Cotton presented Wikipedia, WMI and the
Wikimedia projects in a meeting organized by /I Mercoledì
della Piazza Telematica/, a department of Informagiovani at
the communality of Schio. The meeting, attended by an
audience of elderly, confirmed that in that demographics
there is a lot of room to increase knowledge and
participation to Wikimedia projects.
* June
o musicamp (Laurentius) (report
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/MusiCamp>)
o CristianCantoro took part to the first IULM BarCamp;
unfortunately its speech could not be delivered. He was
however conctacted for an interview broadcasted on Radio24
and made by the students of the Master in Radio
Communication at IULM.
o Cotton and La Pizia took part with a small Wikimedia booth
to /No Skei Day/ at San Vito di Leguzzano (VI), a yearly
meeting based on free exchanges of goods and knowledge. Even
if the town is very small, we had some success in giving out
information and distributing brochures and Wikimedia cards.
Special on Digital Freedoms Festival
From 10 to 16 May 2010, the association organized the second Digital
Freedoms Festival <http://libertadigitali.org> (FDLD, for "Festival
delle libertà digitali") in Milan entitled "Milan frees all". Events
were numerous and ranged from comics to photo via OpenAccess and free
games.
The festival was born as a container for different events with a common
goal: bringing people and an entire city to the issues of digital
freedom, free licenses and sharing of knowledge.
Certainly the festival was an opportunity for growth for the
association, which was able to test his strength on a difficult location
like Milan: results, despite a relatively low public participation in
general, have been useful to increase our contacts with other
associations with whom we share goals and philosophy.
The most successful events will be replicated in the future.
Events
May 10
* Sharing, science, common good
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/condivisione-scienza-bene-comune>:
a meeting where experts from Open Access, academy and teachers
debated.
* SGRUNT! Paper and bits for open culture
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/sgrunt-carta-e-bit-al-servizio-dellopen-c…>:
a panel discussion on comics, authors and the comparison between
"paper" and "network" media.
May 11
Open&Crowd, supplementary gears
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/open-crowd-le-marce-in-piu>
May 12
fotoMIgira <http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/fotomigira>: look at Milan
from behind a lens, communicating with other passionate photographers,
to discover that encyclopedias have a photographic soul.
May 13
Open Web - Una serata al collegio di Milano
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/open-web-una-sera-al-collegio-di-milano>:
Wikipedia, la libertà e la rete: quanto è libera la rete? Siamo
diventati più responsabili nel nostro approccio alla rete dalla nascita
del web 2.0 ad oggi? Wikimedia Italia e Google incontrano i ragazzi del
Collegio di Milano.
May 14
GGDMilano#12 - Ignite: How to
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/girl-geek-dinner-milano-12-howto>:
GGDs (Geek Girls Dinners) are dinners or meetings aimed at women who are
passionate about technology, Internet and new media. Twelfth Milan
dinner was an "Ignite", where speakers presented their "How to", that is
how to do something particularly "geek".
May 15
GNUfun - Milano frees music
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/gnufun-milano-libera-la-musica>:
Saturday with free music, in collaboration with GNUFunk: openday @ "Kubi
studio" (Via Carlo Botta, 13) from 15:00 and concert +dj-set with fre
music @ "Le trottoir alla Darsena" (Piazza XXIV Maggio, 1)
May 16
OpenGamingCamp - Milano frees games
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/opengamingcamp-milano-libera-i-giochi>:
the fun side of freedom: a BarCamp, that is a non-conference where
anyone can "get in the chair", propose a topic and talk to others,
accompanied by free games tournaments.
Throughout the event, WikiWall - a Wikipedia page at Triennale
<http://libertadigitali.org/eventi/wikiwall-una-pagina-di-wikipedia-in-trien…>:
an installation at the Triennale similar to a Wikipedia page: people can
write, edit or attack photos to tell what the digital freedom is.
What will happen next months
* in September (tentative location: Bologna) we'll have our annual
meeting.
News from our groups
Wikimedia Roma
New premises for Wikimedia Italia!
Wikimedia Italy will soon have a physical location. Offices, large
enough to host some workshops and a dozen workstations, are in Rome, via
Grotta di Gregna 27 (Google map
<http://maps.google.it/maps?q=41.913514,12.564609&num=1&sll=41.819915,12.440…>).
The premises are the result of an agreement between the Department of
Culture of the Municipality of Rome, the Libraries of the City of Rome
and the association Liber Liber <http://www.liberliber.it/>. The planned
activities consist in setting up three laboratories: video editing,
e-book digitizing/layout and audio editing for the creation of
audiobooks. We also expect to participate in European calls, for example
to promote the Open Alexandria <http://www.openalexandria.org/>, and
others that may be proposed by the most active volunteers of Wikimedia
Italy and Liber Liber.
Premises will also be used to host civil service volunteers and interns,
to organize courses and cultural events, in collaboration with the
adjacent library "Vaccheria Nardi", who has large rooms with multimedia
stations, area conferences, and of course reading rooms (the structure
as a whole has three buildings).
Opening date is still uncertain. Some details remain to be defined
(collection of certificates of conformity of equipment, testing
elevators, etc.), and we are looking for sponsors for the setting up of
laboratories. We hope to start before the end of August, even with few
workstations and without the laboratories. Anyone interested in
collaborating is invited to contact Marco Calvo
<http://www.marcocalvo.it/>.
GLAM
The WMI GLAM committee, through Aubrey and Laurentius, organized two
workshops in collaboration with Regione Toscana. The workshops (each one
during a day) were aimed to teach two different groups of librarians
from Tuscany regions how to edit and create article in Wikipedia. The
objective of the event s were to illustrate breifly how Wikipedia works
and how articles can be created: especially, librarians were interested
in municipality and cultural heritage articles, as well as articles
dedicated to libraries. The workshops partially touched also Commons and
Wikisource, as well as copyright issues.
The feedback from participants has been positive, though several issues
were raised by the low level of computer skills of many participants, as
well as inexperience from speakers in explaining clearly and linearly
Wikipedia basics. At the end of the day, the projects worked as a useful
pilot: it is hoped to have the possibility to organize other similar
events to build a stable and fruitful relationships with librarians and
other GLAM professionals.
News from our projects
News from Biblioteca
We started System Reference Document 3.5 Project
<http://biblioteca.wikimedia.it/wiki/Progetto:SRD>, together with 5°
clone <http://www.5clone.com/>, group whose purpose is to promote
intelligent games (in particular, role games).
The project intends to translate into Italia the correspondent document
<http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35> of Wizards of
the Coast <http://www.wizards.com/>, which will be released under a Open
Gaming License <http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/Legal.rtf>.
News from Wiki@Home <http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Wiki@Home>
Many news from Wiki@Home: many interviews were completed, among them the
one with Umberto Eco (English version
<http://it.wikinews.org/wiki/Intervista_a_Umberto_Eco/Traduzione>) made
by Aubrey <http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Utente:Aubrey> and taken up by
some bloggers and the famous online magazine Punto Informatico
<http://punto-informatico.it/2892321/PI/Commenti/contrappunti-gogol-non-prob…>.
We also repory the completion of the interview with Patrizio Roversi
<http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrizio_Roversi> by Capsicum
<http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Capsicum>. Finally, Monday, June
28, 2010 the referent of the project, CristianCantoro
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Utente:CristianCantoro>, attended a
meeting at the School of Journalism "Walter Tobagi"
<http://www.giornalismo.unimi.it> at University of Milan to present
Wikimedia Italy, the world of Creative Commons licenses and of course
Wiki@Home project.
We need volunteers
Wiki@Home staff needs willing young people of all ages to unwind
interviews, make transcripts, fix typos, create new interviews and
material for the presentation of the project. For more information
please write at the contact for the project, CristianCantoro
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Utente:CristianCantoro>, at the
address: kikkocristian(presso)
<http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:Presso.svg>gmail.com.
News from WMF projects
* *Wikibooks*: DynamicPageList extension
<http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_%28Wikimedia%29>
is now active: now automation of shelves
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Biblioteca> may start.
* *Wikinotizie*: Published an intervew to Umberto Eco
<http://it.wikinews.org/wiki/Intervista_a_Umberto_Eco>, see above
<#News_from_Wiki.40Home>.
* *Wikiquote*: Fazio degli Uberti
<http://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fazio_degli_Uberti> is our 10,000th
article, but it.wikiquote is no more the second local version with
respect to number of articles for the first time since November
2007. pl.wikiquote had an acceleration that lead them to overtake us.
* *Wikisource*:
o Finished the joining of headers
<http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Bar/Archivio/2010.03#E.27_finita.2…>
in {{Heading Template
<http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Intestazione>}}.
o Reached 45,000 pages
<http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Bar/Archivio/2010.04#45.000>,
after automatic addition (between February and April)
through {{Count pages Template
<http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Conteggio_pagine>}})
of invisible links in 30K pages containing just templates
and therefore were not counted
<http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Content_namespaces>
even if they contained "good" stuff, falsifying statistics
<http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Bar/Archivio/2010.02#Mistero_svela…>
(after wikt:en:Template:count page
<http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/en:Template:count_page>).
o Alex Brollo
<http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Utente:Alex_brollo> was
elected sysop.
* *Wikiversity*: WHacko
<http://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Utente:WHacko> was elected sysop:
now we have 3 sysops.
* *Wiktionary*: Limonadis
<http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Utente:Limonadis> was elected
sysop: now we have 9 sysops. For the first time in years,
Wiktionary has more registered users than Wikiquote (14,300 vs
14,200 on July 14), becoming thus the first Italian Wikimedia
project besides Wikipedia. Looking at active users in the last
month (roughly 60 and 160 respectively) Wikiquote remains the
first among the sister projects.
* *Wikipedia*:
o January: Welcome Project
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Progetto:Coordinamento/Accoglienza>
for new users started.
o April: big controversy
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Enciclopedia_su_…>
about the "social pages" Facebook added, containg the text
of the relative voice of Wikipedia if it exists and a link
to the modification page. Some users were troubled that the
sentence «Conquer new fan of your cause or ideal by creating
a social page» could be seen regarding the contribution to
Wikipedia (against neutral point of view
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:punto_di_vista_neutrale>),
and in general that only users not fit to Wikipedia could
come from Facebook. Two sysops resigned.
o May: another controversy
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Facebook,_lo_sap…...>
(or better, a ForestFire
<http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ForestFire>) starts about
Facebook groups which defame Wikipedia and urge users to
modify it towards a certain direction, and in general about
the perceived increase in organized groups of users that
alter consensus to impose their own point of view. A new
procedure has been adopted to value and if neceassary block
such group of users (called "programmatic users
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Blocchiamo_le_ut…>",
that is irrecoverably altering consensus). The first
application of the new procedure blocked some users by
mistakes; the users were immediately unblocked by another
sysop, but a sysop was not confirmed and left the project,
while four other ones quit. The community put up an essay
about how to cope with so-called single-purpose users
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Utenza_monoscopo>,
re-orienting the issue.
o May-June: five new sysops were elected.
o June: The group rollbacker
<http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Wikipedia:Rollbacker> was
created in it.wiki too. Bureaucrats assign people to this
group at their sole discretion, after a public but
non-advertised request and without voting. In the first
month 12 users were assigned to the group.
News from the Board
In June, Cristian Consonni succeeded to Nicola Izzo as Board member.
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Congratulations Houcemeddine ! Keep the good work up.
2017-08-22 14:04 GMT+01:00 abdelwaheb turki <turkiabdelwaheb(a)hotmail.fr>:
> Dear Mr. or Ms.,
> I thank you for your support. If you need further information about AICCSA
> conference, you can find them in http://www.aiccsa.net/AICCSA2017/.
> Yours Sincerely,
> Houcemeddine Turki
>
>
> Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung
>
>
> -------- Message d'origine --------
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> Objet : [Wikimedia-tn] About my AICCSA paper
>
> Dear Mr. or Ms.,
>
> I thank you for your support to my Wikimedia grant. This is an honour of
> me. Upon the request of Mr. Federico Leva, I share with you my paper that
> will be presented in AICCSA 2017. It is currently available in
> https://1drv.ms/w/s!AiC69hcGxSVPl1UI1SV81mkr2uVu. However, the paper
> requires to be adjusted. As you can see below, the reviewers have already
> asked me to do several important adjustments. If someone would like to
> adjust the paper, he is invited to directly adjust the paper in OneDrive or
> offline or to reply to this email and explain his proposal. As for the
> proposal of Mr. Leva, I liked it and I ask if he can give me some details
> about how to apply it to my research paper. As for the grant, it is still
> open and that is why I invite you to endorse it in
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/
> Csisc/Presenting_Wikidata_for_Arab_Computational_Linguists.
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Csisc/Presenting_Wikid…>
> This will help me to have the grant to attend this ERA C Class conference.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> Houcemeddine Turki
>
> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AiC69hcGxSVPl1UI1SV81mkr2uVu>
> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AiC69hcGxSVPl1UI1SV81mkr2uVu>
> AICCSA-Copie-_2_ 2.docx <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AiC69hcGxSVPl1UI1SV81mkr2uVu>
> Partagé via OneDrive
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *De :* ANLP2017 <anlp2017(a)easychair.org>
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 16 août 2017 00:53
> *À :* Houcemeddine Turki
> *Objet :* ANLP2017 notification for paper 3
>
> Dear Dr.Houcemeddine Turki
>
> Congratulations! On behalf of the ANLP 2017 workshop and Conference
> Committees of the 14th ACS/IEEE International Conference on Computer
> Systems and Applications AICCSA 2017, October 30th to November 3rd, 2017.
> we are happy to inform you that your paper entitled:
>
> Using WikiData to create a multi-lingual multi-dialectal dictionary for
> Arabic dialects
>
> has been accepted for presentation and inclusion in the Proceedings of
> AICCSA - ANLP 2017, published by IEEE.
>
>
> Please see the reviewers’ comments below on your paper. These comments are
> intended to help you to improve your paper for final publication. The
> listed comments should be addressed, as final acceptance is conditional
> upon appropriate response to the requirements and comments. The conference
> committee retains a list of certain critical comments to be addressed by
> authors, and will control that these have been addressed in the
> camera-ready version.
>
>
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> -------------
> The AICCSA website is updated now with required information. Please find
> below the details for the camera ready submission and the registration.
>
> Camera ready submission:
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> 14th ACS/IEEE International Conference on Computer Systems and
> Applications AICCSA 2017 October 30th to November 3rd, 2017
>
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>
> We are looking to meet you in AICCSA 2017.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> AICCSA - ANLP 2017 Organization Team.
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> ==============================
>
>
> ----------------------- REVIEW 1 ---------------------
> PAPER: 3
> TITLE: Using WikiData to create a multi-lingual multi-dialectal dictionary
> for Arabic dialects
> AUTHORS: Houcemeddine Turki, Denny Vrandečić, Helmi Hamdi and Imed Adel
>
> Overall evaluation: 1 (weak accept)
>
> ----------- Overall evaluation -----------
> It is an interesting work with valid assumption and its proposed ideas
> also in line with the expectation of the event. Overall, I think, this
> paper is interesting and has good contribution to this topic. However, the
> authors are advised to have the following points on their revised version:
> -Please elaborate in details about the proposed approach with more
> focusing on the relations between its components, as they are the core of
> the solution and need more justification of why to use them.
> -Overall technical exposition must be strengthened with more concrete
> examples.
> -The authors are urged to summarize and list the key observations from the
> paper.
> -The paper is readable but a language improvement using a native speaker
> is recommended.
> -Some minor editorial issue, like enhancing the plots quality, the
> equations, etc...
> -Many reference are with *incomplete* bibliographic information (like lack
> of publication venue, for instance). This must be corrected.
>
> In summery, it a well prepared paper.
>
>
> ----------------------- REVIEW 2 ---------------------
> PAPER: 3
> TITLE: Using WikiData to create a multi-lingual multi-dialectal dictionary
> for Arabic dialects
> AUTHORS: Houcemeddine Turki, Denny Vrandečić, Helmi Hamdi and Imed Adel
>
> Overall evaluation: 0 (borderline paper)
>
> ----------- Overall evaluation -----------
> The paper technical content is very marginal, the paper has many language
> and editorial issue,
> a better results presentation and figs quality are needed. i guess the
> paper is not ready for publication yet.
>
> Other issues to be considered too:
>
> - The paper lacks clarity in motivating the proposed research and in
> stating its expected outcome
> - the review of the state of the art lacks an analysis of the existing
> work and the positioning of the research in the state of the art
> - The methodology is too general and does not convincingly show the
> feasibility of the proposed approach
> - the research lacks a concrete illustration on a case study.
>
> recommendation to the authors
> - to clearly state the objective of the research in terms of problems to
> address and expected results and show how the proposed research will
> advance the state of the art by
> overcoming the limitations of the existing work
> - to preset an analysis of the state of the art and discuss the
> benefits/limitations of the existing approaches with respect to the
> addressed research problem
> - to be more precise in the description of the methodology and show how
> the methodology would achieve the stated objectives
> - to discuss the future plans with respect to the research state of
> progress and its limitations
>
> There is serious issue with many editorials in the paper that need to be
> fixed, many of the figs are fuzzy and need to be reconsidered again.
>
>
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Hi Nemo
I'll get straight to my point here before answering in-line. I see this as
yet another move to change or one-up the power structures at play here. WMF
created this FDC to evaluate chapter finances, FDC is still limited in what
they believe is their scope, WMF still has a great deal of control over it
but the recent comments about its effectiveness, and who knows perhaps even
future dissolution/re-evaluation, might have brought upon this request to
one-up the WMF. For example, in this scenario, accusing a chapter of
corruption or nepotism would exacerbate a given situation, which in return
might allow FDC to say something similar publicly about WMF or disagree
with its requests. Since, the majority of FDC is composed of chapter
specialists, the entire dynamics will get skewed to one side, composed
primarily by chapter members overseeing mostly chapter grants, who will
also have a platform to oppose the board if need be and little in the form
of opposition.
This issue might lay claim to the odd nature of WMF between an Tech/IT firm
internally and the external non-profit part of the equation with chapters
around the world, that have little to do with the online identity. It might
seem ludicrous to think the WMF engineering and tech departments will be
scrutinized by random members of chapters, more so, they might be able to
dictate the terms and influence expense and programs(with little
participation from the largest community), as such, I believe their opinion
should only rest on the same footing as yours and mine. No more-no less.
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm quite surprised to constantly read FDC is somehow representative of
>> the
>> larger community and accountable to them. Almost all the current members
>> were part of chapter leadership and have been quite active within that
>> circle. I suppose this is the same fiction as chapters inherently being
>> representatives of the larger community. The FDC is sort of a UN-like
>> gathering that yet somehow overlooks the largest and most active community
>> of all.
>>
>> Perhaps you might want to take a look at the dismal rate of actual
>> community participation in FDC discussions. An year or so in to its
>> formation, there isn't exactly a stellar record and high-opinions to go
>> around. I hope I don't need to point to the recent news articles and
>> comments about the FDC and possible issues of corruption, which might have
>> even played a part in.......whatever this is.
>>
>
> I'm not sure how this matters for this proposal/request by the FDC: do
> such defects exist or apply only to evaluating the WMF budget? If not, how
> do they bring water to the idea of letting WMF be special compared to the
> other entities' funding?
I'm not sure I follow your earlier point there. As for WMF being "special"
- there were extensive debates about this around 2 years ago related to
decentralization. A lot of chapter members apparently saw things as WMF
should be the same as them. I don't believe that can be possible, first an
attempt was made to separate these entities on the basis of "payment
processing", and an independent body dispensing funds while WMF merely
collects and holds them - true to that structure this suggestion might fit
in but It's far too late now. WMF can not be judged by the same logic,
chapter funding is. I'm also not sure if the recent issues Ms. Gardner
alluded to are real with the FDC, but they should offer pause when handing
over control to a body that its creators think is still flawed and broken.
Not to mention, WMF is the only one who actually has full control of the
funds, the servers, the trademarks - basically everything, and FDC derives
its authority from a page on meta.
>
>> I also don't understand why FDC alone should have this right to evaluate
>> and offer recommendations. Why not the GAC? Arbcomm? or even individuals,
>> like Risker or Nathan, heck, even my cat should have that right! There is
>> an Auditcomm kicking around still I think. There is also some conflation
>> in
>> the comments over how much authority FDC is looking for- is it to merely
>> offer feedback, suggest increases /decreases - which like feedback, WMF
>> can
>> reject at will or the authority to go head-to-head with the board, as the
>> following comments allude to. The latter is quite preposterous, the former
>> not so much. I suppose sharing the plan with everyone openly, and letting
>> everyone comment might be the quickest solution there.
>>
>> Anyway, of the dozen reasons why this is a bad idea here are a few-
>>
>> -The internal structure - the foundation recently built up and then
>> expanded a grants department, added to the internal finance department
>> including some global work, the executive leadership - it would make
>> somethings redundant, making a whole lot of resources so far wasted.
>> -The external structure - hierarchy between the board, WMF executives, the
>> FDC, auditcommittee, the FDC steering committee (if it's still around),
>> not
>> to mention the external auditors and consultants. Issues of privacy and
>> control are likely to arise.
>> -FDC has no real world existence - in the legal sense. There are legal and
>> fiduciary responsibilities a board and executives have, real world laws
>> about compliance, contracts, hiring and so on - they can't be abandoned or
>> handed over to a completely virtual entity with little prior experience,
>> who live across the world.
>>
>
> Correct. They can't. :)
> As you say, the FDC's decisions don't exist in the "real world", before
> the WMF board approves them. Nothing happens, from a legal perspective. For
> a "conflict" to exist, you'd need a board resolution rescinding a previous
> board resolution (which happens all the time anyway).
I wasn't alluding to FDC's decisions as much as the FDC itself- for the
purpose of this discussion, its existence is strictly virtual. But the main
point of contention was this would create yet another point of collision
between the board and the community (or a minute part of). The inevitable
expectation as I pointed out in the in-line comments, would be conflict to
arise with a stronger weight against the board. To which I question this
body's legitimacy and authority to have that power, over say, you or me.
> -The scale is quite relevant here- the chapters have less than a tenth of
>> the revenue and access to those fundraising abilities as the WMF. They
>> have
>> no engineering department, some are starting to hire their first employee
>> and rent an office.
>> -WMF and the board, proposed and created the FDC. They set up a steering
>> committee, dedicated staff, and provided things like the travel budget to
>> get these members under one roof to actually have, an actual FDC. The
>> board
>> has representatives who don't vote present within FDC. But it still poses
>> a
>> whole lot of issues about conflict that might have legal repercussions for
>> non-profit operating in the US.
>> -As Nathan pointed out, the FDC has very limited exposure to US laws and
>> little participation from the US, and by extension the English-speaking
>> majority. Majority of the members also have little exposure to the
>> "flagship" project, presenting a gap of expertise and relevance where it
>> would be needed the most.
>>
>
> Again, I can't imagine any legal consequence. Moreover, if it's so true
> that FDC lacks an USA-centric know-how particularly needed by and abundant
> in the WMF (and viceversa), all the better! It would mean they'll
> complement each other rather than overlapping as you feared above, wouldn't
> it.
Actually more so than the US-centric, it lacks the non-chapter centric
participation which would still make it redundant to the board, the board's
advisory board, and the auditcomm. The US-centric know-how is secondary to
the chapter specific one, then there is the lack of tech expertise, etc..
I'm not sure what is there to compliment in this case. It would be akin to
an AIDS charity somewhere in asia letting a Flower shop in brussels audit
its budget and dictate its future activities. It's a case of apple vs.
oranges. The two are distinctly different and exist fine on their own
without there being a need to tie one to the other.
Regards
Theo
Ok, so I just did what I proposed. I went to random enwiki articles and
described the first ten I found which didn't already have descriptions:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film about a Gulf War friendly-fire incident*
- "Pebasiconcha immanis", *largest known species of land snail, extinct*
- "List of Kenyan writers", *notable Kenyan authors*
- "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *annular eclipse which lasted 77
seconds*
- "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *historic Civilian Conservation Corps
post-and-beam building*
- "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *debut 1980 studio album by Goombay Dance Band*
- "E-1027", *modernist villa in France by architect Eileen Gray*
- "Daingerfield State Park", *park in Morris County, Texas, USA, bordering
Lake Daingerfield*
- "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *2014 Live album by Mexican pop singer Fey*
- "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *6th UEFA Regions' Cup, won by Castile and Leon*
And here are the respective descriptions from Magnus' (quite excellent)
autodesc.js:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film by Edward Zwick, produced by John Davis
and David T. Friendly from United States of America*
- "Pebasiconcha immanis", *species of Mollusca*
- "List of Kenyan writers", *Wikimedia list article*
- "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *solar eclipse*
- "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *Construction in Connecticut, United
States of America*
- "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *album*
- "E-1027", *villa in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, France*
- "Daingerfield State Park", *state park and state park of a state of the
United States in Texas, United States of America*
- "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *live album by Fey*
- "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *none*
Thoughts?
Just trying to make my own bold assertions falsifiable :)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality question could be fairly
> easy to test I think:
>
> - Pick, some number of articles at random.
> - Run them through a description extraction script.
> - Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I
> demo'ed.
>
> If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a
> wildly abstract discussion more concrete.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> If having the most elegant description extraction mechanism was the goal
>> I would totally agree ;)
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant <dbrant(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is a missed opportunity
>>> to make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is
>>> generated correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated descriptions are
>>>> superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing
>>>> test ;)
>>>>
>>>> I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give
>>>> *everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up
>>>> at the Lyon hackathon:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8
>>>>
>>>> I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by
>>>> hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense for
>>>> how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice one!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to do
>>>>> with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali*
>>>>>
>>>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <http://wikimedia.se>
>>>>> 0729 - 67 29 48
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till
>>>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.*
>>>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-08-18 17:23 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...":
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To use, add:
>>>>>> importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ;
>>>>>> to your common.js
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated
>>>>>>> list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I
>>>>>>> can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it should) and I
>>>>>>> can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which one
>>>>>>> that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served basic
>>>>>>> fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to
>>>>>>> update that too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
>>>>>>> nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields
>>>>>>>>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what it
>>>>>>>> means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2) overriding
>>>>>>>> existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps. Mobile
>>>>>>>> folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very happy. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nemo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_mobile_engineering
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Agree with Kerry that we really need to have a more flexible process that
speaks to the main problem that (I think) RCOM was started to solve i.e.
that Wikipedians were getting tired of being continually contacted by
researchers to fill out *surveys*. I'm not sure where feelings are about
that right now (I certainly haven't seen a huge amount of surveys myself)
but I guess the big question right now is whether RCOM is actually active
or not. I must say that I was surprised, Aaron, when I read that it is
active because I had heard from others in your team about a year or two ago
that this wasn't going to be the vehicle for obtaining permission going
forward and that a new, more lightweight process was being designed. As
Nathan discusses on the Wikimedia-l list, there aren't many indications
that RCOM is still active. Perhaps there has been a recent decision to
resuscitate it? If that's the case, let us know about it :) And then we can
discuss what needs to happen to build a good process.
One immediate requirement that I've been talking to others about is finding
ways of making the case to the WMF as a group of researchers for the
anonymization of country level data, for example. I've spoken to a few
researchers (and I myself made a request about a year ago that hasn't been
responded to) and it seems like some work is required by the foundation to
do this anonymisation but that there are a few of us who would be really
keen to use this data to produce research very valuable to Wikipedia -
especially from smaller language versions/developing countries. Having an
official process that assesses how worthwhile this investment of time would
be to the Foundation would be a great idea, I think, but right now there
seems to be a general focus on the research that the Foundation does itself
rather than enabling researchers outside. I know how busy Aaron and Dario
(and others in the team) are so perhaps this requires a new position to
coordinate between researchers and Foundation resources?
Anyway, I think the big question right now is whether there are any plans
for RCOM that have been made by the research team and the only people who
can answer that are folks in the research team :)
Best,
Heather.
Heather Ford
Oxford Internet Institute <http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk> Doctoral Programme
EthnographyMatters <http://ethnographymatters.net> | Oxford Digital
Ethnography Group <http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/research/projects/?id=115>
http://hblog.org | @hfordsa <http://www.twitter.com/hfordsa>
On 17 July 2014 08:49, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I meant the community/communities of WMF. But the authority of the
> community derives from WMF, which chooses to delegate such matters. I think
> that “advise” is a good word to use.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Amir E. Aharoni [mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 17 July 2014 5:37 PM
> *To:* kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com; Research into Wikimedia content and
> communities
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] discussion about wikipedia surveys
>
>
>
> > WMF does not "own" me as a contributor; it does not decide who can and
> cannot recruit me for whatever purposes.
>
> I don't think that it really should be about WMF. The WMF shouldn't
> enforce anything. The community can formulate good practices for
> researchers and _advise_ community members not to cooperate with
> researchers who don't follow these practices. Not much more is needed.
>
>
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>
>
>
> 2014-07-17 8:24 GMT+03:00 Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com>:
>
> Just saying here what I already put on the Talk page:
>
>
>
> I am a little bothered by the opening sentence "This page documents the
> process that researchers must follow before asking Wikipedia contributors
> to participate in research studies such as surveys, interviews and
> experiments."
>
> WMF does not "own" me as a contributor; it does not decide who can and
> cannot recruit me for whatever purposes. What WMF does own is its
> communication channels to me as a contributor and WMF has a right to
> control what occurs on those channels. Also I think WMF probably should be
> concerned about both its readers and its contributors being recruited
> through its channels (as either might be being recruited). I think this
> distinction should be made, e.g.
>
> "This page documents the process that researchers must follow if they wish
> to use Wikipedia's (WMF's?) communication channels to recruit people to
> participate in research studies such as surveys, interviews and
> experiments. Communication channels include its mailing lists, its Project
> pages, Talk pages, and User Talk pages [and whatever else I've forgotten]."
>
>
>
> If researchers want to recruit WPians via non-WMF means, I don’t think
> it’s any business of WMF’s. An example might be a researcher who wanted to
> contact WPians via chapters or thorgs; I would leave it for the
> chapter/thorg to decide if they wanted to assist the researcher via their
> communication channels.
>
>
>
> Of course, the practical reality of it is that some researchers (oblivious
> of WMF’s concerns in relation to recruitment of WPians to research
> projects) will simply use WMF’s channels without asking nicely first.
> Obviously we can remove such requests on-wiki and follow up any email
> requests with the commentary that this was not an approved request. In my
> category of [whatever else I’ve forgotten], I guess there are things like
> Facebook groups and any other social media presence.
>
>
>
> Also to be practical, if WMF is to have a process to vet research surveys,
> I think it has to be sufficiently fast and not be overly demanding to avoid
> the possibility of the researcher giving up (“too hard to deal with these
> people”) and simply spamming email, project pages, social media in the hope
> of recruiting some participants regardless. That is, if we make it too
> slow/hard to do the right thing, we effectively encourage doing the wrong
> thing. Also, what value-add can we give them to reward those who do the
> right thing? It’s nice to have a carrot as well as a stick when it comes to
> onerous processes J
>
>
>
> Because of the criticism of “not giving back”, could we perhaps do things
> to try to make the researcher feel part of the community to make “giving
> back” more likely? For example, could we give them a slot every now and
> again to talk about their project in the R&D Showcase? Encourage them to be
> on this mailing list. Are we at a point where it might make sense to
> organise a Wikipedia research conference to help build a research
> community? Just thinking aloud here …
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* wiki-research-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wiki-research-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Halfaker
> *Sent:* Thursday, 17 July 2014 6:59 AM
> *To:* Research into Wikimedia content and communities
> *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] discussion about wikipedia surveys
>
>
>
> RCOM review is still alive and looking for new reviewers (really,
> coordinators). Researchers can be directed to me or Dario (
> dtaraborelli(a)wikimedia.org) to be assigned a reviewer. There is also a
> proposed policy on enwiki that could use some eyeballs:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_recruitment
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> phoebe ayers, 16/07/2014 19:21:
>
> > (Personally, I think the answer should be to resuscitate RCOM, but
> > that's easy to say and harder to do!)
>
> IMHO in the meanwhile the most useful thing folks can do is subscribing
> to the feed of new research pages:
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&feed=atom&hid…
> >
> It's easier to build a functioning RCOM out of an active community of
> "reviewers", than the other way round.
>
> Nemo
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Thanks!
This is it:
Wiki Loves Monuments is a photography competition, organised for the sixth
time in 2015, and has now collected over 1,5 million photos of monuments
across the world. There are major differences in the national approaches
towards cultural heritage, and volunteers organising the competition face
different challenges across the world. Sometimes getting the lists of
monuments is the main challenge, other times it is a legal, cultural or
geographical challenge. We hope to continue spreading enthusiasm for free
knowledge and cultural heritage across the world, and make information
about cultural heritage available across the world.
*Russia* – Russia faces major challenges in its internal diversity and vast
geographic distances. Last year, Russian organizers boosted geographical
coverage by launching a separate prize for the maximum number of visited
regions. Two participants traveled each thousands of kilometers through the
whole country to cover 30 of Russia’s 81 regions, from the Amber Coast to
the Pacific Coast and from the Arctic Ocean to the Black Sea. One of the
winners, Evgeny Lazarev, told us that his 1298 photos were an outcome of
his frequent traveling by car over the last 6 years.
*Italy* - No other country had more photographers participating to the 2015
contest and the contributed photos are accessed millions of times each
month on Wikimedia sites alone. But this did not come easily – besides a
lot of effort by volunteers, staff and 320 official partners, some legal
challenges had to be overcome. Participants could only take photos of
Pompei and some other 3000 items, a fraction of Italy's cultural heritage.
The main obstacle to the promotion of Italian culture is "Codice Urbani", a
law which forces photographers to enquire the local authority about
protected status for each building, ask authorisation and pay fees if
required. For objects created in the last 150 years, an additional obstacle
is copyright for the architect, given the lack of freedom of panorama. To
help photographers, Wikimedia Italia acquired this permission in advance
for 392 custodian entities.
*Netherlands* – The country where Wiki Loves Monuments started in 2010 has
over 60.000 recognised national monuments. After four photo competitions
and the wonderful donation of hundreds of thousands of photos by the
cultural heritage agency, many monuments have a free photo available. What
to photograph next?
The next challenge was in municipal monuments, with one slight problem:
each municipality is responsible for determining and maintaining their
list. While some municipalities publish proudly lists of their local
heritage, others have have not recognised local heritage, or are even
reluctant to share the lists. After many phone calls and emails, volunteers
managed to gather a unique database of Dutch municipal monuments with more
than 80% of the municipalities covered.
(Article by Lodewijk Gelauff, Alexander Tsirlin and Federico Leva)
POSSIBLE PHOTOS:
(Russia)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Соловецкий_монастырь.jpghttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Кронштадт. Никольский собор на
Якорной площади.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Сергэ (коновязи) на Бурхане.JPG
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Petra i pavla kogevnikah 2.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Пролетарка 70.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Церковь Рождества Пресвятой
Богородицы из села Передки (не позднее 1539).jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Надвратная_башня_Смоленск.jpg
You can also check the full short-list from last year:
https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Вики_любит_памятники-2015/Шорт-лист
(Italy)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:La_Sacra_ammantata_dalla_neve.jpghttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Biblioteca_Gambalunga_(Rimini)-4.jpghttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palazzo_Ducale_-_Urbino_2.JPGhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Piazza_del_Popolo_panorama.jpg
(Netherlands)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brouwershaven_molen_Windlust.jpghttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Groesbeek_(NL)_Bredeweg,_Antonius_v…https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bloemenbuurt_03.jpghttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Noorderbegraafplaats_laan_in_tuin.J…https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dudok_Politiepost.jpg
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:31 PM, attolippip <attolippip(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to Yaroslav
>
> Best regards,
> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> Wikimedia Ukraine
>
> 2016-04-11 15:26 GMT+03:00 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>:
>
>> Thanks. Feedback is welcome until tonight.
>>
>> Unfortunately I will rather have to cut information short, than to add
>> more, so I'll have to look into that. I'm afraid Jonathans suggestion about
>> Armenia wouldn't fit in - but it would also be a great opportunity for a
>> blog post.
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-04-11 00:14, Lodewijk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> below a first draft - the piece about Italy is still missing. I think
>>>> we have a nice diversity this way! It's cramming a bit more, so lets
>>>> see how this works out.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lodewijk,
>>>
>>> hope it is not too late. The text looks good, but I think in the first
>>> line explanation is missing on what WLM actually is - smth like
>>> crowdsourcing photographic competition which aims at collecting all
>>> architectural monuments all over the world - unless of course there is a
>>> lede in the article which has already explained this.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Yaroslav
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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Hi Anna,
I have made a more detailed proposal at
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Village_pump#Proposal:_merge_….
Please comment.
Thanks!
Pine
*This is an Encyclopedia* <https://www.wikipedia.org/>
*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*
*—Catherine Munro*
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Anna Koval <akoval(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Dear Pine,
>
> Thanks for your question.
>
> I think that the idea of merging Outreach into Meta would probably benefit
> from some discussion among the users of both wikis, to see if such a change
> would work for them. :)
>
> For instance, the Meta community would need to be comfortable with folding
> in functionaries from Outreach -- just as Outreach functionaries would need
> to be comfortable with Meta functionaries operating in Outreach space --
> unless there is some technical way to restrict administrators to only those
> projects for which they were chosen.
>
> Obviously, either way, if such a merger happened, we would need to maintain
> many redirects, since printed documents
> <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Brochures> refer to
> specific
> pages within Outreach -- and we would have to make sure to maintain those
> redirects if pages on Meta were moved.
>
> I don't know all of the history behind why Outreach and Meta are separate,
> since it predates my work in the movement. What matters to me, personally,
> is best coordination of the work, wherever that happens.
>
> Your thoughts on this are welcome over at the Outreach wiki village pump.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Anna
>
>
> --
>
> Anna Koval, M.Ed.
> Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
> Wikimedia Foundation
> +1.415.839.6885 x6729
> akoval(a)wikimedia.org
> education.wikimedia.org
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Anna,
> >
> > In the long run I think it would be beneficial to move at least some of
> the
> > content of Outreach into LPL where it would be easier to search.
> >
> > Perhaps you can enlighten me about the purpose of keeping Outreach
> separate
> > from Meta. I think the idea is that Outreach is easier to navigate for
> > outsiders than Meta is. However we could redirect outreach.wikimedia.org
> > to
> > a namespace on Meta that is similar to the Grants namespace with a
> > restricted search option. Particularly after the recent LPL upgrades, I
> > think it would be good to consider fully merging Outreach into Meta. What
> > do you think?
> >
> > Pine
> > On Feb 4, 2015 6:35 AM, "Anna Koval" <akoval(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Nemo,
> > >
> > > There is, of course, other documentation on mediawiki already.
> > >
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Education_Program
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Education_Program
> > >
> > > However, having additional how-to type pages in the help namespace is a
> > > great idea. I didn't realize that there were not already any help pages
> > on
> > > mediawiki about the education program extension. Thank you for pointing
> > > that out. We can plan to add some.
> > >
> > > It is my understanding that Meta and Outreach wikis actually are
> > > appropriate places to share information about the this extension in
> these
> > > contexts.
> > >
> > > On Meta wiki, that page is part of the Learning Pattern Library, and as
> > > such, it explains a "problem" that the extension "solves".
> > >
> > > On Outreach wiki, that page provides information for education program
> > > volunteers who might be wish to more learn about it in order to work
> with
> > > their communities to enable it on their projects.
> > >
> > > It is true that much of the information, on Outreach, in particular, is
> > > somewhat technical in nature, and somewhat duplicative of information
> > that
> > > is available on mediawiki.org, but that is that something I am working
> > on
> > > updating and improving. I welcome your input on that process; we could
> > > discuss it on the talk page.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Anna
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Anna Koval, M.Ed.
> > > Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > +1.415.839.6885 x6729
> > > akoval(a)wikimedia.org
> > > education.wikimedia.org
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
> > nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Samir Elsharbaty, 04/02/2015 03:08:
> > > >
> > > >> It seems that the
> > > >> extension already covers most of what was suggested here:
> > > >>
> > > >> - A teacher or wiki-mentor could make a shared watchlist of their
> > > >>> student's draft pages.
> > > >>> - An editathon organiser could create a shared watchlist of all the
> > > >>> articles within the scope of the event.
> > > >>> - A wikiproject could create several shared watchlists to group
> > related
> > > >>> articles for members to more easily monitor.
> > > >>> - probably many other use-cases that might emerge...
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > > Ah, does it. My understanding is that this has been considered
> feature
> > > > bloat, to be removed in a rewrite of the extension.
> > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editor_campaigns
> > > >
> > > > If it works for you, however, it can hopefully scale. I suggest that
> > you
> > > > comment on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Gather to suggest
> they
> > > > split the shared watchlist feature out of the Education extension
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> If this is the case why shall we have a new extension with the same
> > > >> features?
> > > >>
> > > >> Please have a look at this page which covers the features and use of
> > the
> > > >> Ed
> > > >> extension:
> > > >> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Extension
> > > >>
> > > >> Also this learning pattern would help understanding how it works:
> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns/
> > > >> Using_the_education_extension
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > These are not appropriate places for documentation of a MediaWiki
> > > > extension. Please move to the Help namespace of mediawiki.org.
> > > >
> > > > Nemo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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Thank you for the clarification, Gerard. I was indeed misunderstanding the
proposal.
We need to find a central place to discuss a proposal.
2013/3/11 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> Hoi,
> There is no point at all in maintaining the software currently used by
> OmegaWiki. That would be foolish. Nobody who knows OmegaWiki will ask for
> that.
>
> What we are asking for is that we ensure that the structures that exist in
> OmegaWiki are replicated in Wikidata for reasons that are clear and
> obvious. Technically there are a few things that make sense to have..
>
> For instance.. In the Dutch language we have a noun, a verb an adjective
> .... we do not have a country in this class. A noun can be male, female or
> neutral .... we do not have a stupid. We have singular and plural and we
> do not have dual like in Arabic.
>
> When there is a concept, we have synonyms and translations that are used as
> such but do not cover the original concept well. We want to be able to
> indicate this.
>
> Really Denny, all we need is to keep the structure, the data. We do not
> even want to be dogmatic about this (too much). What we want are things
> that fulfil a need, that have a purpose.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
>
> On 11 March 2013 15:51, Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic(a)wikimedia.de
> >wrote:
>
> > Sorry about the wrong link, I meant this IEG proposal:
> >
> > <
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wiktionary_-_the_way_it_should_be
> > >
> >
> > but as far as I can tell, this one didn't make it into round 1 (pity,
> > something like that would have made sense, but I understand that the
> > proposal was obviously not detailed enough. Whatever.)
> >
> > I fully agree with Andrea and Nemo that some use cases would be very easy
> > to implement, especially linking between the projects. Commons and
> > Wiktionary though are very different and require more thought:
> >
> > Commons:
> > * easy goals: link to appropriate items for some of the pages in Commons,
> > use data from Wikidata in the creator namespace and similar
> > * more engaging: add metadata to the media files in Commons itself and
> link
> > them to each other and to Wikidata
> >
> > Wiktionary:
> > * easy goals: none. The conceptualization of Wiktionary simply is not a
> > direct fit to the conceptualization in Wikipedia and Wikidata.
> > We need to figure out how they work together. Maybe this page is a good
> > start, and maybe we should collect the ideas there.
> >
> > <https://www.wikidata.org/**wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary<
> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary>
> > >
> >
> > I mean, OmegaWiki has been around for a while, and they learned many,
> > extremely valuable lessons. A lot of work has went into it, and it would
> be
> > a shame not to build on its experiences and lessons. But I would like to
> > ask the question whether it is the right software or not, even though it
> is
> > a painful question. But please be reminded that I have spent many years
> in
> > the development of Semantic MediaWiki, with the one goal to have it
> > switched on the Wikipedias -- and then to come to the conclusion to *not*
> > use the software as is, and start from scratch.
> >
> > We need a discussion on Wiktionary, and how it can evolve, and if it even
> > should. And I do not think that a cross-mailing list discussion like the
> > current one is the right place, and I do not even know where the right
> > place is.
> >
> > So, first question: where should this discussion take place?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Denny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/11 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
> >
> > > Denny Vrandečić, 11/03/2013 14:52:
> > >
> > > There is currently a number of things going on re the future of
> > >> Wiktionary.
> > >>
> > >> There is, for example, the suggestion to adopt OmegaWiki, which could
> > >> potentially complicate a Wikibase-Solution in the future (but then
> > again,
> > >> structured data is often rather easy to transform):
> > >> <
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Requests_for_comment/**Adopt_OmegaWiki<
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Adopt_OmegaWiki>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> There is this grant proposal for elaborating the future of Wiktionary,
> > >> which I consider a potentially smarter first step:
> > >>
> > >> <
> > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Grants:IEG/Elaborate_**
> > >> Wikisource_strategic_vision<
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Elaborate_Wikisource_strategic_vi…
> > >
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > That's Wikisource. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> There's this discussion on Wikdiata itself:
> > >>
> > >> <https://www.wikidata.org/**wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary<
> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> And I know that Daniel K. is very interested in working into this
> > >> direction.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I regard Wiktionary as the third priority, following
> > Wikipedia
> > >> and Commons. A lot of the other projects -- like Wikivoyage or
> > Wikisource
> > >> -- can be served with only small changes to Wikidata as it is, but
> both
> > >> Commons and Wiktionary would require a bit of thought (and here again,
> > >> Commons much less than Wiktionary).
> > >>
> > >
> > > Actually Wikiquote and Wikivoyage use interwikis exactly like
> Wikipedia;
> > > Commons in the same way except it's interproject; Wiktionary in the
> same
> > > way except it's case-sensitive and not about concepts (opr about a
> > stricter
> > > definition of concept); Wikisource in a completely different way;
> > > Wikibooks, Wikinews and Wikiversity I'm not sure.
> > > As for phase II, it's another story. Wikisource and Commons would
> benefit
> > > a lot from it; for Wiktionary it could be a revolution; for Wikispecies
> > > idem but with less effort (?); Wikiquote would become
> > >
> > >
> > > I would appreciate a discussion with
> > >> the Wiktionary-Communities, and also to make them more aware of the
> > >> OmegaWiki proposal, the potential of Wikidata for Wiktionary, etc.
> Just
> > to
> > >> give a comparison: it took a few months to write the original Wikidata
> > >> proposal, and it was up for discussion for several months before it
> was
> > >> decided and acted upon. I would strongly advise to again choose slow
> and
> > >> careful planning over hastened decisions.
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's impossible to plan or discuss anything without knowing what
> matters.
> > >
> > > Nemo
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Once you have done a test on the beta site, you can ask for the
"gwtoolset" right at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard
You don't need to get the domain whitelisted on real commons, as the
domain whitelisting process applies to both beta and commons at the
same time.
Cheers,
Brian
On 9/14/15, Lizzy Jongma <L.Jongma(a)rijksmuseum.nl> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Yes!!!! It works! I am soon happy. Thanks a lot!
> We will evaluate the metadata mapping tomorrow and hopefully we can start
> the real upload soon. Do you know how I get permission/rights to upload this
> set in the production version of WM Commons?
>
> Thanks & Best wishes
> Lizzy
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 17:21, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You should be good to go now to start uploading files.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Brian
>>
>> On 9/13/15, Lizzy Jongma <L.Jongma(a)rijksmuseum.nl> wrote:
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help and info!
>>> I am not in a rush so monday is fine (I may even enjoy my sunday off
>>> now)!
>>> I of cource fully agree with your last remark
>>>
>>> Hope you have a nice sunday too :-)!
>>>
>>> Best Lizzy
>>>
>>>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 15:46, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Addendum to my last email.
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to mention, generally non-emergency configuration changes
>>>> (Such as adding a new allowed domain for gwtoolset) are only done in
>>>> specific time windows. The next window for config changes is 15:00 UTC
>>>> on monday, so you'll unfortunately probably have to at least wait
>>>> until then.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, I think we should perhaps get a test wiki which doesn't
>>>> use the domain whitelist. Making people wait for approval just to test
>>>> gwtoolset seems kind of silly.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Brian.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/13/15, Brian Wolff <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that Derekson submitted a change request to add the domain,
>>>>> but nobody has acted on it yet :S
>>>>>
>>>>> So the request to add the domain is still pending.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Relevant urls https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/234980/
>>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110869 )
>>>>> --
>>>>> -bawolff
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/13/15, Lizzy Jongma <L.Jongma(a)rijksmuseum.nl> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am testing my very first batch upload on
>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:GWToolset
>>>>>> it all looks great and seems to work (I can map fields), but when I
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> start the upload I get an error message:
>>>>>> There was a problem processing the metadata file.
>>>>>> Copy uploads are not available from this domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We host our images in the Google cloud and the url to images refer
>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://lh3.ggpht.com/
>>>>>> http://lh4.ggpht.com
>>>>>> http://lh5.ggpht.com
>>>>>> http://lh6.ggpht.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know Sandra Fauconnier already asked permission for these domains
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> not sure if that was for this test environment or for the production
>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also noted that I don’t have permissions for uploading batches in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> production environment: I am still testing in the Test toolset, but
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> get permissions when we are ready with testing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best wishes
>>>>>> Lizzy Jongma
>>>>>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 14:32, Lizzy Jongma
>>>>>> <L.Jongma(a)rijksmuseum.nl<mailto:L.Jongma@rijksmuseum.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your tips!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before opening my email I realised that XSLT actually has a simple
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> transform names etc:
>>>>>> <xsl:element name="dc:creator">
>>>>>> <xsl:text>{{Creator|Name=</xsl:text>
>>>>>> <xsl:value-of select="substring-after(name/value[@lang=1], ', ')" />
>>>>>> <xsl:text> </xsl:text>
>>>>>> <xsl:value-of select="substring-before(name/value[@lang=1], ', ')" />
>>>>>> So that was easy.
>>>>>> But the option in de GLAMwiki toolset looks cool too! I may want to
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> later on too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: if people are interested in the API-call we are building, this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>> https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/api2/oai/8zmxuaJ2?verb=ListRecords&metadataPrefi…
>>>>>> Mind you: it’s still work in progress but please feel free to send me
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And eh… anyone interested in the XSLT? I could make it available too
>>>>>> (when
>>>>>> we are finished)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>> Lizzy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 Sep 2015, at 12:51, Federico Leva (Nemo)
>>>>>> <nemowiki(a)gmail.com<mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean-Frédéric, 13/09/2015 12:10:
>>>>>> This is one of the tricks built-in in the GlamWiki Toolset (I have
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> tested it though):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I imported some stuff from BEIC's Primo, I did a regex
>>>>>> replacement
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> this in a LibreOffice document:
>>>>>> ([^,:]+(?=,)),? *([^,(:]+)? *:? *([^,\(]+)? * → $2 $3 $1
>>>>>> ( : | +) → (nothing)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are so many possible formats...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nemo
>>>>>>
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