Ok, so I just did what I proposed. I went to random enwiki articles and
described the first ten I found which didn't already have descriptions:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film about a Gulf War friendly-fire incident*
- "Pebasiconcha immanis", *largest known species of land snail, extinct*
- "List of Kenyan writers", *notable Kenyan authors*
- "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *annular eclipse which lasted 77
seconds*
- "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *historic Civilian Conservation Corps
post-and-beam building*
- "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *debut 1980 studio album by Goombay Dance Band*
- "E-1027", *modernist villa in France by architect Eileen Gray*
- "Daingerfield State Park", *park in Morris County, Texas, USA, bordering
Lake Daingerfield*
- "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *2014 Live album by Mexican pop singer Fey*
- "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *6th UEFA Regions' Cup, won by Castile and
Leon*
And here are the respective descriptions from Magnus' (quite excellent)
autodesc.js:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film by Edward Zwick, produced by John Davis
and David T. Friendly from United States of America*
- "Pebasiconcha immanis", *species of Mollusca*
- "List of Kenyan writers", *Wikimedia list article*
- "Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *solar eclipse*
- "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *Construction in Connecticut, United
States of America*
- "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *album*
- "E-1027", *villa in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, France*
- "Daingerfield State Park", *state park and state park of a state of the
United States in Texas, United States of America*
- "Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *live album by Fey*
- "2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *none*
Thoughts?
Just trying to make my own bold assertions falsifiable :)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality
question could be fairly
easy to test I think:
- Pick, some number of articles at random.
- Run them through a description extraction script.
- Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I
demo'ed.
If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a
wildly abstract discussion more concrete.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
If having the most elegant description extraction
mechanism was the goal
I would totally agree ;)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant <dbrant(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is
a missed opportunity
to make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is
generated correctly.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated
descriptions are
superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing
test ;)
I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give
*everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up
at the Lyon hackathon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8
I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by
hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have
them.
I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense for
how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use...
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se>
wrote:
> Nice one!
>
> Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to do
> with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline?
>
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> 2015-08-18 17:23 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>
> :
>
>> Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...":
>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js
>>
>> To use, add:
>> importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ;
>> to your common.js
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated
>>> list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I
>>> can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it
should) and I
>>> can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which one
>>> that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served basic
>>> fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to
>>> update that too.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
>>> nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields
>>>>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what
it
>>>> means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2)
overriding
>>>> existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps.
Mobile
>>>> folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very
happy. :)
>>>>
>>>> Nemo
>>>>
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