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Wikihistory is here
by Maximilian Doerr 26 Jul '15

26 Jul '15

Ladies and gentlemen. Wikihistory is now available for use on en.wikipedia.org. You can find it at http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/wikihistory/ J Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator

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Articleinfo
by Maximilian Doerr 16 Jul '15

16 Jul '15

I've have repeatedly attempted to debug articleinfo. After having gotten a local copy functional on my computer, I thought I had found the bug. When I went to run a test where the bug was, the test never was executed. This leads me to conclude that this tool broken in more locations than one and I can't find them. I have worked countless hours trying to fix this thing, and failed. At this point, I am declaring my defeat. I am unable to fix the bug. However, this does not mean it's unfixable. I have a feeling that this issue may be caused by Redis, while I'm no longer certain what's bugged up and what's not, perhaps someone who has experience with Redis can take a look and see if that's the problem. All the info seems to point to a non-code related issue. This problem has randomly popped since labs started having issues. Since the code, the API, and the DB haven't changed, it's reasonable to assume some other dependency such as Redis. Otherwise I'm declaring it a lost cause. This code is so ridiculously, unnecessarily complex, and has so many outside dependencies, it's hard to tell what is working and not. I'm sorry everyone. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator

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TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin
by TaqPol 09 Jul '15

09 Jul '15

Hello, I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia. I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc. I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine. I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time. Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol> TaqPol.wiki(a)icloud.com

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Organisation
by TaqPol 07 Jul '15

07 Jul '15

Hi, I'd be more than happy to set up a local environment but I don't currently have access to the Tools project. I would request for permission and set it up then. Judging from the response, it would sound like the server name '.labsdb' instead of, for example 'enwiki.labsdb', was used which is clearly not right. This would point to the following code: if ($dbnameIn == "tools"){ $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; $dbname = ""; $checkReplag = false; } elseif (in_array( $dbnameIn, array("s1","s2","s3","s4","s5","s6","s7") ) ){ $server = $dbnameIn.".labsdb"; $dbname = ""; $checkReplag = false; } // elseif ( in_array( $dbnameIn, array("wikidatawiki") ) ){ // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; // $dbname = $dbnameIn."_p"; // } elseif ($dbnameIn){ $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; $dbname = $dbnameIn."_p"; } else{ $wi = $this->getWikiInfo( $lang, $wiki); $server = $wi->database.".labsdb"; $dbname = $wi->database."_p"; } (WebTools.php, lines 604-626) and would suggest that $wi->database returned is empty... I still couldn't get over the fact that with the same code the other tools works but just not articleinfo though... I will write back when I got more things to share. Cheers, TaqPol On Jul 06, 2015, at 04:44 PM, MusikAnimal <musikanimal(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello all, hope your weekend went well. I am going to continue to establish new devs and what technologies/frameworks we'll use for the xtools rewrite. In the meantime, however, I think we should focus on getting this revisions history tool running. It worked before, we can make it work again. Yesterday I mentioned the issue I was observing was with a string to integer conversion (or something similar). Back at my computer, I've been trying to reproduce that and I am unable to. In fact, no error is reported when I hit Submit using the revisions history tool. Tried rebooting the app and still no errors being logged. The most recent errors that were logged were in fact database-related: FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::close(): Couldn't fetch mysqli in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1180 FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: mysqli::mysqli(): (HY000/2005): Unknown MySQL server host '.labsdb' (0) in /data/project/xtools/modules/WebTool.php on line 1154 This suggests maybe we are looking at a connection problem. Either way, I'd like to see if we can reproduce the issue locally. Cyberpower678, TaqPol, Ancheta Wis or any PHP developer: Would you mind attempting to get the current xtools application running on your local environment? Aren't there a set of PHP modules one would need to install? Does anyone know what modules those are? Please inform. For those unfamiliar with how this should work: If you are using a Mac, you should not need to worry too much about configuring your environment to emulate "precise", which is what we're using on labs. I'm afraid I don't know what to recommend for Windows, but seemingly so long as the dependencies are there you should still be able to run the application. I believe the old code relies on PHP v5.3, and some undefined set of modules. If you are not set up to SSH into labs, you will need to create your Wikitech account, request shell access, upload your SSH keys, etc. See Help:Getting Started for the full instructions. SSH into Labs, and your home directory should contain a "replica.my.cnf" with credentials to connect to the replica database. That is what you'll be using locally, but you'll also need to set up the connection to be over SSH. This StackOverflow Q&A should offer some advice on how to accomplish that, see also Help:Tool Labs/Database. Please keep us informed if you have gotten anywhere setting up your local environment. Whoever does manage to do it can then document what they did for the rest of us to follow. Even if we don't get the full app running, maybe we can use the "PHP console" or whatever you guys use to attempt to connect to the replica dbs like we do in WebTool.php so we can know for sure if that much is being done correctly. On 5 July 2015 at 11:36, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon(a)gmail.com> wrote: MusikAnimal is right. Find out where in the code refers to the error handler that produces that specific message and tell it to give more detail (best to do it in a hidden div or span that you can toggle with a simple JavaScript so eu don't see it). T13 On Jul 5, 2015 11:23 AM, "MusikAnimal" <musikanimal(a)gmail.com> wrote: Look at the error log. It's complaining about a string to integer conversion, or something of the sort. Sounds like you should be able to put a debugger in there and find out more. It could be as simple as doing some typecasting. I would tell you what line number but I'm away from a computer. I don't think there's anything wrong with the database connection as it's only the revisions history tool that has that issue, yet it's connecting just like the other working tools are. The issue causing the "no revisions found" message I believe is simply bad error handling and shouldn't be taken literally. On Jul 5, 2015 09:22, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Good news. APPER has added me to wikihistory, if he gives me permission I should be allowed to port the code over to temporarily replace articleinfo. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:28 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation I believe that both YuviPanda and Coren (and Betacommand for that matter) have said those lines should be correct. T13 On Jul 5, 2015 4:02 AM, "Ancheta Wis" <tekftu4q(a)gmail.com> wrote: Kudpung and TacPol and everyone who can add to the solution, I could use some more information about the database servers : I draw your attention to the following lines 132, 598, and 619 in https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/blob/master/modules/WebTool.php What bothers is some hard-coded data in what I presume is in the xTools production code line 131 //Init permanent connection to tools-db line 132 $dbrtools = $this->loadDatabase(null, null, "tools"); line 598 public function loadDatabase( $lang, $wiki, $dbnameIn=null) { line 605 >>> $server = "p:".$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; line 615 // $server = "p:s2.labsdb"; line 619 $server = "c2.labsdb"; //$dbnameIn.".labsdb"; line 1138 class Database2{ My question is "Are these accurate?". Is this in production? On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:50 PM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki(a)icloud.com> wrote: Hi, I presume this response is directed to myself. I cannot help but feel that you are intrinsically against the participation of younger developers, considering you said that you does not "believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues". I emphasise that "I do have until late September free and plan to commit more time that", as I wrote in my previous message. This means that I can devote a good amount of time for xTools as I am currently on holiday and don't have athletics and homework to juggle until early October. Put things simply, I can put in quite a lot of time within a timeframe of days and weeks, but things are a lot more uncertain within a timeframe of months and years. Cheers, TaqPol On Jul 05, 2015, at 07:30 AM, Chris <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote: I see words being used such as ‘September’ and ‘October’. I stress again that the task of getting these tools up and running is urgent and that I do not believe that high school students and freshmen will be able to wrest themselves from their school athletics and homework to devote sufficient time to these pressing issues. We have a time frame of days at this stage - not weeks or months.If X-Tools is a global project, I’ll just remind everyone: 'Wikimedia Labs was designed to give volunteer software developers a place to write and test software for WMF operations with the goal being to increase the volunteers helping maintain the WMF's infrastructure. It was opened for beta testing to a limited number of users in October 2011. After several months of testing, the service was opened to the general public in April 2012.’ (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs) 'Because of the importance of toolserver tools and the difficulty in maintaining the toolserver infrastructure, it was decided that a move to a larger organization would be good, decommissioning the current toolserver. WMDE has committed to funding and maintaining the toolserver until all users have had a sufficient chance to move to the new system. […] In February 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation contracted Marc-André Pelletier to provide assistance to tool/bot authors in migrating their tools and bots to the Wikimedia Labs' servers. A help page for migrating has been setup at wikitech:User:Magnus Manske/Migrating from toolserver with helpful advice. General information may be found at mw:Wikimedia Labs/Migration of Toolserver tools. […] the full-scale migration process began in June 2013 and expected to be complete by December 2013 with everything completed by June 2014 when items on the toolserver will be deleted. Final decommissioning of the toolserver was tentatively scheduled to be complete by December 2014. We are now in the middle of 2015. Kudpung On 5Jul, 2015, at 13:03, Ancheta Wis <tekftu4q(a)gmail.com> wrote: C678, Kudpung, L235, MusikAnimal, T13, Hedonil, TParis, X ... I am trying to debug just how far the database connection, etc., is getting. In my experience, once a database query is actually returning values, there is no reason the whole-stitched-together app cannot work. It appears there is a missing resource needed to make a connection. I have to say that once something like [http://php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-connect.php this mysql snippet] works for xTools, I can fade out of this picture. --[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ancheta_Wis Ancheta] On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon(a)gmail.com> wrote: On which wiki? xTools is a global project. I honestly don't care much about how much a specific community trusts a developer or not. As long as the other team members trust the user, then that's not a concern of mine. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 10:20 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235(a)l235.net> wrote: Regarding TaqPol, my largest concern is the level of trust you currently have on-wiki. Your fiftieth edit was a month and a half ago, and though becoming a maintainer on xtools is certainly nothing like RfA, I'd like to think that some level of community trust should be needed. (This isn't an oppose, and I'm not making this a formal opinion, just something for the other maintainers to keep in mind.) Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: The idea of voice/video conferencing is appealing, but likely not feasible with everyone having different schedules and timezones. So email and IRC will have to do. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 10:04 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Organisation At this point, after the terrorization onwiki, video/voice doesn't work for me. I've no interest in participating in that. I'm willing to listen and view, but only share via text at this point. I hope everyone can understand and respect my position on that. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 9:59 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" <l235(a)l235.net> wrote: I support the video/voice conferencing, but I often work in an environment where it's important to be quiet, so I hope it's fine if I provide my (limited, due to limited/nonexistent PHP skills) input over text and mainly listen. My commitment of one hour a week was a minimum; I plan/hope to spend more time on the project. Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon(a)gmail.com> wrote: I personally intend to dedicate 3 or 4 full days a week to development once I get back on top of my classes next week. It'll likely take me a few hours to get accommodated with our new environment, but I should be able to quick migrate tools in one at a time once I am familiar. Getting the first tool set ul and the connection to the database will be the hardest part, the rest will fall into place easily and be cake work. T13 On Jul 4, 2015 9:47 PM, "Chris" <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote: I think we need to admit that while the organisation and coordination of the work is in every way as important as getting these essential tools back up and running, unlike writing new articles for Wikipedia , time is not on our side. I’m therefore rater hesitant with offers of help that due to school can only inject one or two hours a week into the project. That’s partly what got us into this mess in the first place. I realise that not everyone is like me: over 65 , retired, and has time on their hands, but I think we should be looking at a dedication of two or three complete evenings a week until the job is done. Public holidays should be providing more time rather than being a reason to take leave from the urgency. Also, addressing the advantages of video conferencing again, I am in exactly the opposite time zone to the whole of the USA which means I often have to chat in what is the middle of the night here in Thailand. I think that’s also the least anyone should be prepared to do for multi-zone, multi-cultural Wikipedia. Kudpung On 4Jul, 2015, at 22:15, L235 Wikipedia <l235(a)l235.net> wrote: No objections from me. Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:54 AM, TaqPol <taqpol.wiki(a)icloud.com> wrote: Hi, I do understand and I would be okay with that as long as it is the consensus of the group. I have created a new GitHub account @TaqPol-wiki as I’d prefer to separate this account from the one I used for LxCenter and my personal projects. I’m glad that my limited availability is okay with you. I usually can contribute more than that but the amount of work I have for university is unpredictable so I don’t really want to make commitments that I cannot meet. Best wishes, TaqPol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TaqPol TaqPol.wiki(a)icloud.com On 4 Jul, 2015, at 10:39 pm, MusikAnimal <musikanimal(a)gmail.com> wrote: Looks good, but note we may not necessarily be using a framework, it seems (getting conflicting recommendations), but certainly a templating engine of sorts. We are open to all ideas, but would you be okay working with something other than Laravel if it came down to it? Also, do you have a GitHub account? Thank you for also being upfront about your availability. It's all volunteer work and even small contributions here and there are helpful and appreciated. On Jul 4, 2015 08:41, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: He’s got my thumbs up. Any objections? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of TaqPol Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 6:10 AM To: xtools(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [xTools] TaqPol - PHP Developer & Sysadmin Hello, I am writing in response to the call of developers for xTools on Wikipedia. I have previously been a Core member in the LxCenter team, which released the open source web hosting control panel Kloxo and the VPS control panel HyperVM. I work as both a PHP developer and a sysadmin there, as I also find sponsorship on behalf of LxCenter and manages the sponsored server although another developer manages the main web server etc. I currently develop with Laravel, although for simpler application I use packages from Packgist (e.g. Plates) and I personally think Laravel would be the best way to go, considering the a MVC implementation is desirable and it provides many useful functions e.g. an excellent ORM, code injection interface and template engine. I am afraid I don’t have 10-15 years of experience and I self-learnt PHP. That being said, I am very willing to learn new stuffs. I am willing to commit to the project. I generally respond to messages in 24 hours and can commit for at least 2 hours per week during term time. 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Learning PHP + misc
by L235 Wikipedia 06 Jul '15

06 Jul '15

Hi all, As I've stated earlier, my experience is rather limited, and I recognize that we will be gaining developers that dwarf my Linux experience and my available time to contribute to this project that also have decades of experience with PHP - basically, they'll dwarf my contribution to this project 100 to 1, at least initially. Given that,: - I pledge, for the next three months, (I will extend until I feel that I can make valuable contributions to this project) to step down as a maintainer at the request of any current maintainer; - I have been trying to self-study PHP and gain a bit more Linux experience (tinkering with server setups, etc.) and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a particular way to study, or perhaps an online course that worked well for them (without being a CS course); - Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

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Re: [xTools] Wikipedia email
by Maximilian Doerr 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

Hello. Can you tell use what experience you have with PHP and linux? Thank you for volunteering for xTools. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator -----Original Message----- From: Ancheta Wis [mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:58 PM To: Cyberpower678 Subject: Wikipedia email 3rd try to volunteer for xTools -- This email was sent by user "Ancheta Wis" on the English Wikipedia to user "Cyberpower678". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, nor any information about his/her email account; and the recipient has no obligation to reply to this email or take any other action that might disclose his/her identity. If you respond, the sender will know your email address. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>.

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Maintainer discussion
by L235 Wikipedia 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

May I ask if there’s been any further discussion on confirming my access to the servers and adding me as a maintainer on the -owner list? L235

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Re: [xTools] Wikipedia email
by Legend.of.the.Red.Dragon 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

I hit reply all, so I assumed they'd be on the list of people to reply to. I'll wait to see if CP has the answer before resending the question to them (tomorrow) T13 Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: L235 Wikipedia <l235(a)l235.net> </div><div>Date:07/03/2015 22:16 (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Discussion list for xTools <xtools(a)lists.wikimedia.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [xTools] Wikipedia email </div><div> </div>T13, you need to address that to tekftu4q(a)gmail.com, since they're not subscribed to this list. In any event, I assume they were private requests to CP678. Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 9:14 PM, ShoeMaker Royality <legend.of.the.red.dragon(a)gmail.com> wrote: 3rd try? I don't remember seeing anything from you before. Can you point me to try 1 and 2? On Jul 3, 2015 9:01 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello. Can you tell use what experience you have with PHP and linux? Thank you for volunteering for xTools. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator -----Original Message----- From: Ancheta Wis [mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:58 PM To: Cyberpower678 Subject: Wikipedia email 3rd try to volunteer for xTools -- This email was sent by user "Ancheta Wis" on the English Wikipedia to user "Cyberpower678". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, nor any information about his/her email account; and the recipient has no obligation to reply to this email or take any other action that might disclose his/her identity. If you respond, the sender will know your email address. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>. _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools _______________________________________________ Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon xTools mailing list xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools

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Re: [xTools] Wikipedia email
by Maximilian Doerr 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

Try and also keep the list in the loop. The other maintainers should be able to see what you have in experience. Just out of curiosity, what multibillion dollar website did you write? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator > On Jul 3, 2015, at 22:12, Ancheta Wis <tekftu4q(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Unix since 1985. Replying on one of my ubuntu systems. Wrote a multibillion$ web site from the ground up. I am primarily interested in debugging just why the infrastructure is getting borked. > > My go-to language is Perl. I am a Haskell person right now. > > What kind of help do you want? > >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello. Can you tell use what experience you have with PHP and linux? Thank you for volunteering for xTools. >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ancheta Wis [mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:58 PM >> To: Cyberpower678 >> Subject: Wikipedia email >> >> 3rd try to volunteer for xTools >> >> -- >> This email was sent by user "Ancheta Wis" on the English Wikipedia to user "Cyberpower678". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. >> >> The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, nor any information about his/her email account; and the recipient has no obligation to reply to this email or take any other action that might disclose his/her identity. If you respond, the sender will know your email address. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>. >

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Re: [xTools] T13 a part of xTools
by ShoeMaker Royality 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

I'm not going to do a bunch of back and forth over whether or not I contribute to xTools or not. I offered to walk away when I retired from on-wiki activities due to being harassed and threatened by an arbitrator and was told that wikitech and toollabs are separate from on-wiki stuff and that I was wanted and needed. I know there are some that want me to stay, and some that want me to go so for the sake of clarity we're going to all post one reply as to whether or not I'm welcome to contribute or not. Unless there is an overwhelming result I should go, I will evaluate each comment and decide. Please don't just say stay or gone, please explain why you think I should stay or go. I will honor whatever the result here is. Thank you, T13 On Jul 3, 2015 8:34 AM, "Eugene Lee" <leee(a)mit.edu> wrote: > o/ Kudpung, > > For what its worth, my personal and professional experience suggests phone > conferencing works well only people maintainers schedules coincide. Email > works especially well when people are out of sync, and gives time for email > senders to think things through. > > Regarding T13's participation: I personally was against this but was told > since disciplinary action was only taken on enwiki it would not apply to > his work on xtools. I definitely am uncomfortable given the nature of his > actions that led to the ArbCom decision, but since others on the xtools > team was okay with it, I refrained from going further since I'm the newest > team member on the block. > > Unsure what people are talking about re: messes, so I'll refrain from that. > > --leee > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Chris <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote: > >> I’ve only been following this email list for a day or two and already I >> see that the biggest problem is not getting the tools up and running or >> porting existing ttools from other wikis to our corner of Labs, but one of >> organisation/coordination. >> I do not believe that trying to manage somthieng as important as this can >> be done with the back and forth of email or even on IRC. >> >> The greatest steps forward I have achieved for Wikipedia, such as the >> cleanup of the massive IEP problem, and the development of the NPP suite, >> were all done over Skype conferencing. There is even better face-2-face >> multi-person conferencing available nowadays, may I respectfully suggest >> that the team look into this in order to save time. >> >> Also, if T13 is still one of the participants here, I’m not happy with >> the arrangement. >> >> In the meantime, I will try contacting some people I know at the >> Foundation in an attempt to get them to clean up any mess they are directly >> responsible for so that there will at least be a stable server to work on. >> >> Thanks for listening. >> >> Kudpung >> >> On 3Jul, 2015, at 09:52, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Great. VirtualBox won’t install. I’ve tried 3 times now, but it keeps >> giving me an unexpected error occurred. :/ >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [ >> mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org >> <xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org>] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:30 PM >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> I would go with the virtual box idea. The file system is essentially an >> NFS mount (as I understand it) so you could still use your IDE or what have >> you, you'd just would run the application in VirtualBox. >> >> On 2 July 2015 at 22:25, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Because I want to see what’s broken on articleinfo by stepping through >> the code. Plus. The code needs to be portable right? >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:23 PM >> >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> May I ask why you're trying to do it on your Windows computer rather than >> creating a test instance on Labs (where we'll be deploying it anyways), >> making it work there, and then remembering how you did it, writing a >> documentation file, and destroying the instance? (Or any other way that >> doesn't involve doing it on Windows?) >> >> Thanks, >> L235 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Maximilian Doerr < >> maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> So exactly how do you set up redis to work with PHP on Windows ß(Please >> don’t hate me for that)? I’m totally unfamiliar with redis. It’s the >> primary holdup I’m facing to getting the tool to work on my computer. >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:49 PM >> >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> >> I'm aware of what's there. I'll work on getting ainfo up in our new home >> probably Monday or Tuesday. Best I can do between school and holiday >> weekend family RL stuffs. T13 >> On Jul 2, 2015 9:42 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> T13, that was before Hedonil touched the code. There’s all kinds of >> hardcoded paths and webproxy usages specific to toollabs that I don’t know >> what to do with. >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:23 PM >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> Ah yeup! >> >> I'll coordinate with you over IRC in about 10-20 minutes. >> >> --leee >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < >> legend.of.the.red.dragon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It is movable because we kind of did it before with moving to xstools. >> I'll see what I can do after the holiday weekend when I get home unless >> someone else gets to it first. >> On Jul 2, 2015 9:19 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my >> computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I’ve had absolutely no >> luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I’m >> declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to >> xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L >> If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory >> temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a >> temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least >> have the important tools working again for the time being. We should >> consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that’s maintainable, >> portable, and most importantly stable. >> >> Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the >> instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version >> and the latest PHP version? >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon > xTools mailing list > xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools > >

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