On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson < l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Cool! Looking forward to it. What I miss, though, is a link to the Translatewiki pages for the extension. I cannot find it. Can you help me?

Thanks!

This dashboard will give you all languages, not including those with 0% translated: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&x=D&...

Just clickthrough on your relevant languages to translate.

Am 29.01.2014 11:17, schrieb Lennart Guldbrandsson:

Hello,

Thanks. That link is not very easy to find. Translatewiki does not for instance give you that result when you search for MediaWiki:Gettingstarted.

It's hard to find, you are right.

If you know name the extension name, you can go directly to https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-gett...

But the group parameter is hard to guess for extensions with more than 1 language files, like FlaggedRevs. So take this email as hint only :-)

Could this be something for the MediaWiki site to link to the appropriate Translatewiki place for people who are nerdy enough to want to translate MediaWiki messages but not tech savvy enough to find it? Perhaps in the infobox?

I like the idea :-)

Raimond.

Best wishes,

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From: swalling@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:27:31 -0800 To: wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Localization and launch of GettingStarted extension outside English Wikipedia

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com mailto:l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Cool! Looking forward to it. What I miss, though, is a link to the
Translatewiki pages for the extension. I cannot find it. Can you
help me?

Thanks!

This dashboard will give you all languages, not including those with 0% translated: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStats&x=D&... https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStats&x=D&group=ext-gettingstarted&suppressempty=1&language=

Just clickthrough on your relevant languages to translate.

-- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/

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Great! Thanks, everybody.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

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Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter

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Jimmy Wales

From: amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:24:53 +0200 To: wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Localization and launch of GettingStarted extension outside English Wikipedia

2014-01-29 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com

Am 29.01.2014 11:17, schrieb Lennart Guldbrandsson:

Hello,

Thanks. That link is not very easy to find. Translatewiki does not for instance give you that result when you search for MediaWiki:Gettingstarted.

It's hard to find, you are right.

If you know name the extension name, you can go directly to https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-gett...

But the group parameter is hard to guess for extensions with more than 1 language files, like FlaggedRevs. So take this email as hint only :-)

Could this be something for the MediaWiki site to link to the appropriate Translatewiki place for people who are nerdy enough to want to translate MediaWiki messages but not tech savvy enough to find it? Perhaps in the infobox?

I like the idea :-)

... And Nemo did it :)

Now there's a link from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted and other extensions.

I wonder why didn't we have it until now. (Or did we have it in the past and I didn't notice?)

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@Lennart: If you go to Special:Translate then click on the "All/Alla" link you should get a pop-out with the different message groups. If you start typing "Getting Started" there you should find the right subgroup

Useful tip in general although I agree that finding the relevant translatewikigroup (via link on meta-page for the extension?) would always be better.

/André

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On 29 January 2014 11:42, Vicenç vriullop@hotmail.com wrote:

I don't understand how it works. There are three main categories for searching random articles to improve. How or where are these categories defined? They should have a local equivalent or probably a proper local set up of maintenance categories.

Vicenç

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From: swalling@wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:03:12 -0800 To: wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Localization and launch of GettingStarted extension outside English Wikipedia

Hi all,

This is just an advance notice that we're getting much closer to being able to launch GettingStarted,[1] a tool for suggesting tasks to new editors after they sign up,[2] on non-English Wikipedias.

In the next 24 hours or so, most of our major user-facing changes will be merged and ready to localize. About 10-15 languages are 80% or better on translatewiki already, so many are close. The more the better!

Our current plan is to launch initially on all Wikipedias where localization is complete (or close to it, 90% or better is ideal). That will likely happen soon after our current iteration of work ends on February 5th, though I will keep people posted.

Please let me know if you have any questions,

1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted
2. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Onboarding_new_Wikipedians

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Vicenç vriullop@hotmail.com wrote:

I don't understand how it works. There are three main categories for searching random articles to improve. How or where are these categories defined? They should have a local equivalent or probably a proper local set up of maintenance categories.

Vicenç

Hi Vicenç,

The experience is described at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Onboarding_new_Wikipedians#New_experience

In latest version there is not three categories needed, only one. For now, we manually set the local category for each wiki, inside the extension. If the wiki does not have a task category set, we show a more limited version of the tour.

In the future, we will refer to Wikidata items for the relevant categories ( wikidata.org/wiki/Q823569 and wikidata.org/wiki/Q9137504). We might also consider letting a community locally override the task category, though I would encourage the community to consider creating a category and tagging pages that have bad spelling/grammar. We've found through testing that newcomers find this kind of task very easy to do and it gives them a way to get start with editing that isn't scary.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Konstantinos Stampoulis geraki@geraki.grwrote:

I see that GettingStarted and GuidedTours are enabled on wikis mentioned here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/111460/ but they are not working on elwiki (not reported on Special:Version). Also, although GuidedTours are working on the rest of the wikis I try to visit Special:GettingStarted and there is "no such special page" even in enwiki, although I see edits tagged as made through the system. Am I missing something, or it should be reported on bugzilla?

Hi Konstantinos,

That configuration change is nearly ready, but hasn't been merged yet and deployed to Wikimedia sites yet. (See the -1 comment.) We initially planned to launch tomorrow, but the site was down for a bit for unrelated reasons, and we ran in to some other small issues at the last minute.

The new GettingStarted version is out on English Wikipedia. When we schedule a new deployment window for next week I'll be sure to update the list here. That's when we will add it to that list of wikis. I also added a bit about this to Tech News,[1] which will go out next week I think as well.

1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/Next

Hi Steven,

I see that GettingStarted and GuidedTours are enabled on wikis mentioned here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/111460/ but they are not working on elwiki (not reported on Special:Version). Also, although GuidedTours are working on the rest of the wikis I try to visit Special:GettingStarted and there is "no such special page" even in enwiki, although I see edits tagged as made through the system. Am I missing something, or it should be reported on bugzilla?

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2014-02-01 7:17 GMT+02:00 Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org:

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Vicenç vriullop@hotmail.com wrote:

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I don't understand how it works. There are three main categories for searching random articles to improve. How or where are these categories defined? They should have a local equivalent or probably a proper local set up of maintenance categories.

Vicenç

Hi Vicenç,

The experience is described at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Onboarding_new_Wikipedians#New_experience

In latest version there is not three categories needed, only one. For now, we manually set the local category for each wiki, inside the extension. If the wiki does not have a task category set, we show a more limited version of the tour.

In the future, we will refer to Wikidata items for the relevant categories (wikidata.org/wiki/Q823569 and wikidata.org/wiki/Q9137504). We might also consider letting a community locally override the task category, though I would encourage the community to consider creating a category and tagging pages that have bad spelling/grammar. We've found through testing that newcomers find this kind of task very easy to do and it gives them a way to get start with editing that isn't scary.

-- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/

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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.wiki@gmail.comwrote:

(Apologies if this was already answered somewhere − I did not locate any deployment plan).

Is GettingStarted planned to be deployed on non-Wikipedia projects ? (Speaking form a Commons perspective)

We designed GettingStarted only with Wikipedia in mind, but it's probably useful for any wiki where the focus is on editing as the first step you want a user to do. In that regard, I don't think it will be useful for Commons, since editing a File page is probably not the first thing you want someone to do. However, we could help the Commons community design a guided tour give all new users there (Rillke already made one for the Help:Nominate for deletion page).

In terms of a general non-Wikipedia strategy: we're happy to advise people on how to potentially adapt GettingStarted for your project. But for now I won't be planning to deploy the extension to any wikis other than Wikipedia unless a community requests it. It is a possibility for projects like Wikivoyage, Wikidata, and so on though.