Rachel, please make it clearer that all suggestions (including those made using the wizard) are to be posted on the talk page and that any discussion of the suggestions will be redirected there. This needs to be in the lede section of the page. Otherwise, your staff are going to waste time and irritate users by moving their comments and contributions over to talk. And no, you can't lock the page. :-)

Also consider shortening what is written there; it would be good to see at least the words "Make a suggestion" before hitting the point where one needs to scroll on a typical desktop screen. (In fact, mobile users will have the advantage of seeing that well before desktop users will, despite the majority of anticipated participants being in the latter group.)

Risker/Anne

On 28 August 2014 17:15, Rachel diCerbo rdicerb@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi all,

A community consultation about the new Media Viewer software feature is taking place at [1], until September 7. The Wikimedia Foundation hopes to hear your suggestions for improvement of the editor and reader experience, focusing on the most urgent needs for the tool. We encourage you all to participate, and welcome contributions and suggestions that work towards improving the experience for all.

Discussions are in English, but you can contribute feedback in other languages.

Thank you,

rachel

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_%28Product%29/Media_Vie...

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Hmm... This consultation presents Media Viewer as a Fait Accompli.

when this is addressed on talk, there's an answer like: "Hi Daniele, please notice this is not intended as a forum to discuss WMF's general behaviour".

Might be wise to back off or modify the wmf's stated position a bit.

Politically speaking: it is wise to take pains not to treat something as a fait accompli, even or especially when you would like for it to be so. ;-)

Otherwise, some people may feel like they are cornered, and that they *have* to fight [*]. Always leave an "out" so they can feel safe and thus stay reasonable.

sincerely, Kim Bruning

[*] For folks who get the heebie jeebies talking about feelings, pretend that by "some people" I may actually mean utility-optimizing (bounded) rational agents. Obv, don't make the only optimal reply be "Have at ye!"

( ps In general I think it would be rather wise if projects were actually co-initiated by WMF&Community, in that case you don't get situations like this. As of 2014 afaik there's still no clear on-wiki pathway to rq features/changes? If I missed it, I'd promote that to pieces!)

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 02:15:39PM -0700, Rachel diCerbo wrote:

Hi all,

A community consultation about the new Media Viewer software feature is taking place at [1], until September 7. The Wikimedia Foundation hopes to hear your suggestions for improvement of the editor and reader experience, focusing on the most urgent needs for the tool. We encourage you all to participate, and welcome contributions and suggestions that work towards improving the experience for all.

Discussions are in English, but you can contribute feedback in other languages.

Thank you,

rachel

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_%28Product%29/Media_Vie...

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