As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an extension called “ArticlePlaceholder” https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the last months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia provides is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias. People who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control of the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopic...
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets results if there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a topic yet, they will still have basic information provided in their language. But it also might increase the numbers of editors due to increased usefulness of that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension and the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We would start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
Hi, Lucie, this is Xuacu (User:Oriciu in astwiki)
I have been talking with some other librarians in Asturian wiki and we are interested in early ArticlePlaceholder testing. Please, tell us what we need to do, what kind of feedback you need from us, how can we get our Wikipedians thoughts on this feature... if possible, in a not-too-technical language :)
Regards, Xuacu Saturio Usuariu de Linux // Linux user #134680 https://www.linuxcounter.net/
2016-01-20 14:57 GMT+01:00 Lucie Kaffee lucie.kaffee@wikimedia.de:
As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an extension called “ArticlePlaceholder” https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the last months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia provides is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias. People who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control of the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopic...
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets results if there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a topic yet, they will still have basic information provided in their language. But it also might increase the numbers of editors due to increased usefulness of that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension and the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We would start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
-- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee Working Student Software Development
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Phone: +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment.
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Hey Xuacu,
If you have the communities support for the ArticlePlaceholder, we would deploy it- possibly first as a beta feature, so user have to log in and enable it in order to see it. Any kind of feedback is welcome- possibly on an input page. Since I don't speak Asturian (yet :) ) it would be cool if someone would help me understanding that page. The idea is to mainly see what user - reader and editor - like, what they don't like, what works, what doesn't work for them, if they could find the content they were looking for etc.
As soon as we have your communities support and we have the extension ready for deployment, I'd come back to you. For the deployment itself you won't have to do anything. Feel free to ask me any questions in the meantime, I am happy to help where I can!
Thank you very much for your interest!
Regards, Lucie
2016-01-21 17:37 GMT+01:00 Xuacu xuacusk8@gmail.com:
Hi, Lucie, this is Xuacu (User:Oriciu in astwiki)
I have been talking with some other librarians in Asturian wiki and we are interested in early ArticlePlaceholder testing. Please, tell us what we need to do, what kind of feedback you need from us, how can we get our Wikipedians thoughts on this feature... if possible, in a not-too-technical language :)
Regards, Xuacu Saturio Usuariu de Linux // Linux user #134680 https://www.linuxcounter.net/
2016-01-20 14:57 GMT+01:00 Lucie Kaffee lucie.kaffee@wikimedia.de:
As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an extension called “ArticlePlaceholder” https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the
last
months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia
provides
is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias.
People
who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or
other
mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control
of
the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace
http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopic...
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets
results if
there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a
topic
yet, they will still have basic information provided in their language.
But
it also might increase the numbers of editors due to increased
usefulness of
that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension
and
the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We
would
start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
-- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee Working Student Software Development
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Phone: +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment.
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I
Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
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Hey there...
If you have the communities support for the ArticlePlaceholder, we would deploy it- possibly first as a beta feature, so user have to log in and enable it in order to see it.
Today I'll post a message in our Village Pump calling for a lazy consensus on ArticlePlaceholder (we are few people, after all); in case it becomes controversial I'll launch a full vote.
Any kind of feedback is welcome- possibly on an input page. Since I don't speak Asturian (yet :) ) it would be cool if someone would help me understanding that page.
NP, you can ask me for any translation you need. Instead, I suggest you to have a translatable page/survey/whatever where users can write answers in their language, and extension admins can read a translated version, except for some free-form answers, of course. Perhaps WMF Apertium server might help here.
Feel free to ask me any questions in the meantime, I am happy to help where I can!
Sure! Thanks a lot for your interest in small wikis, we do our best to stay current with Wiki*** evolution, but it's a daunting task for us.
Regards, Xuacu Saturio
We at gu.wiki will also be happy testing this.
Dhaval (user:dsvyas) On 21 Jan 2016 16:37, "Xuacu" xuacusk8@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, Lucie, this is Xuacu (User:Oriciu in astwiki)
I have been talking with some other librarians in Asturian wiki and we are interested in early ArticlePlaceholder testing. Please, tell us what we need to do, what kind of feedback you need from us, how can we get our Wikipedians thoughts on this feature... if possible, in a not-too-technical language :)
Regards, Xuacu Saturio Usuariu de Linux // Linux user #134680 https://www.linuxcounter.net/
2016-01-20 14:57 GMT+01:00 Lucie Kaffee lucie.kaffee@wikimedia.de:
As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an extension called “ArticlePlaceholder” https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the
last
months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia
provides
is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias.
People
who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or
other
mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control
of
the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace
http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopic...
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets
results if
there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a
topic
yet, they will still have basic information provided in their language.
But
it also might increase the numbers of editors due to increased
usefulness of
that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension
and
the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We
would
start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
-- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee Working Student Software Development
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Phone: +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment.
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I
Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
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I look forward for the day that something like this will be possible. I have already promoted and worked on using wikidata in infoboxes etc, and I have used and promoted (still not much) the use of "Template:Redwd" to link to Reasonator for articles that don't exist yet (or will never do). And I would be happy to promote this on my wikipedia (el.wikipedia - 115000 articles - 800 active users) Of course, there are many things to consider and discuss. Not only technical, but even policy. But to achieve anything it has to be advertised correctly. The Ada Lovelace example is a recipe to get a negative answer from the communities. Wikipedians do not understand and do not even care for the technical aspects of this, even if you tell them that they can have control with Lua and templates. At least the examples should display something familiar and closer to the final product. Most small wikipedias do not have enough (or any) users that can use Lua modules to create complex things. What you will need to do is to provide not only the infrastructure but also the Modules and Templates that will be used, preferably to display something like Reasonator does. If you can provide something like that, even something simple as a first example, I would be happy to promote it to el.wikipedia.
Konstantinos Stampoulis geraki@geraki.gr http://www.geraki.gr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Οι παραπάνω απόψεις είναι προσωπικές και δεν εκφράζουν παρά μόνο εμένα. Το μήνυμα θεωρείται εμπιστευτικό μόνο εάν το έχω ζητήσει ρητά, διαφορετικά μπορείτε να το χρησιμοποιήσετε σε οποιαδήποτε δημόσια συζήτηση.
2016-01-20 15:57 GMT+02:00 Lucie Kaffee lucie.kaffee@wikimedia.de:
As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an extension called “ArticlePlaceholder” https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the last months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia provides is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias. People who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control of the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopic...
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets results if there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a topic yet, they will still have basic information provided in their language. But it also might increase the numbers of editors due to increased usefulness of that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension and the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We would start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
-- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee Working Student Software Development
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Phone: +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0http://wikimedia.de
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment.
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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I concur. Those who can read French can already see that kind of reactions in the Wikidata French village pump (bistro)
First impression is really important in community reception and can be a blocker even if situation later evolved. Some people took a lot of care in details when building for example their templates and tends to be hostile to something new that has not the same level of care ... Even if you tell them they are in control of the evolution and that the existing solutions can totally be used by the new templates. At least in a big Wikipedia. I think we need a lot of preparation and complication (and thinking) to avoid a disastrous deployment of this feature. Le 23 janv. 2016 17:41, "geraki" geraki@gmail.com a écrit :
I look forward for the day that something like this will be possible. I have already promoted and worked on using wikidata in infoboxes etc, and I have used and promoted (still not much) the use of "Template:Redwd" to link to Reasonator for articles that don't exist yet (or will never do). And I would be happy to promote this on my wikipedia (el.wikipedia - 115000 articles - 800 active users) Of course, there are many things to consider and discuss. Not only technical, but even policy. But to achieve anything it has to be advertised correctly. The Ada Lovelace example is a recipe to get a negative answer from the communities. Wikipedians do not understand and do not even care for the technical aspects of this, even if you tell them that they can have control with Lua and templates. At least the examples should display something familiar and closer to the final product. Most small wikipedias do not have enough (or any) users that can use Lua modules to create complex things. What you will need to do is to provide not only the infrastructure but also the Modules and Templates that will be used, preferably to display something like Reasonator does. If you can provide something like that, even something simple as a first example, I would be happy to promote it to el.wikipedia.
Konstantinos Stampoulis geraki@geraki.gr http://www.geraki.gr
Οι παραπάνω απόψεις είναι προσωπικές και δεν εκφράζουν παρά μόνο εμένα. Το μήνυμα θεωρείται εμπιστευτικό μόνο εάν το έχω ζητήσει ρητά, διαφορετικά μπορείτε να το χρησιμοποιήσετε σε οποιαδήποτε δημόσια συζήτηση.
2016-01-20 15:57 GMT+02:00 Lucie Kaffee lucie.kaffee@wikimedia.de:
As part of my Bachelor’s thesis I worked on an extension called “ArticlePlaceholder” https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder over the last months.
One of the biggest barriers for accessing the knowledge Wikipedia provides is language.
There are many topics that are only covered in few, big Wikipedias. People who don’t speak any of these languages don’t have access to all the information available potentially vital to them.
The Article Placeholder extensions aims at smaller Wikipedias to support them in increasing access to data available on Wikidata. Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata. They are clearly not actual articles but an overview of data on a topic which does not have an article yet. The design of the page and its content is under the control of the local community via Lua and templates but we will provide defaults so smaller Wikipedias can work with them without having to worry about the technical side of it.
I have a test setup on Labs with an example for Ada Lovelace http://articleplaceholder.wmflabs.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:AboutTopic...
The reader can find these pages by searching for a topic and gets results if there is an Item on Wikidata with the respective label and/or alias.
The reader would benefit a lot since even if there is no article on a topic yet, they will still have basic information provided in their language. But it also might increase the numbers of editors due to increased usefulness of that Wikipedia.
We are now looking for the first Wikipedias to support the extension by deploying it and giving their input. I am still developing the extension and the first Wikipedias to try it will naturally have a larger say in how it evolves.
If your Wikipedia would like to give it a try please let me know. We would start it as a beta feature.
Thank you,
Lucie (Frimelle)
-- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee Working Student Software Development
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Phone: +49 (0)30 219 158 26-0http://wikimedia.de
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment.
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Thomas Douillard, 24/01/2016 15:10:
I concur. Those who can read French can already see that kind of reactions in the Wikidata French village pump (bistro)
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bistro&oldid=2953739...
)
It would be a great tool for the small Wikipedias. But i think before deploying to any wiki we should make sure all the translations are done for that language. Otherwise it will create bad impression to that community.
Is there any way, either exists right now in the core or via this extension to get a list of article names which are searched for but not exists on a specific wiki?
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On 24 January 2016 at 20:38, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
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Thomas Douillard, 24/01/2016 15:10:
I concur. Those who can read French can already see that kind of reactions in the Wikidata French village pump (bistro)
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Bistro&oldid=2953739...
)
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:07 AM Nasir Khan nasir8891@gmail.com wrote:
It would be a great tool for the small Wikipedias. But i think before deploying to any wiki we should make sure all the translations are done for that language. Otherwise it will create bad impression to that community.
Yeah definitely. We'll work with the wiki's community to get that done. Shouldn't be much.
Is there any way, either exists right now in the core or via this extension to get a list of article names which are searched for but not exists on a specific wiki?
I'm adding Dan who maybe can answer if we have some way to do that. However I am pretty sure that we can't (without NDA) get all queries because that might contain personally identifiable information. But maybe the top 100 or something similar?
Cheers Lydia
On 27 January 2016 at 02:26, Lydia Pintscher Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
Is there any way, either exists right now in the core or via this
extension to get a list of article names which are searched for but not exists on a specific wiki?
I'm adding Dan who maybe can answer if we have some way to do that. However I am pretty sure that we can't (without NDA) get all queries because that might contain personally identifiable information. But maybe the top 100 or something similar?
Thanks for forwarding!
Access to search queries is a long standing request; we track this in T8373 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T8373. In a nutshell, since search queries contain arbitrary, free-form text input from users, search queries could potentially contain personally identifiable information and are therefore subject to the privacy policy https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy; this heavily restricts our ability to release the data. As you can see in the task, there are ways that this can be mitigated so that we could release some of this data, but Discovery cannot prioritise working on this right now.
Thanks, Dan
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