Hello Ambassadors,
Would love to get your feedback and input on a proposed change to default thumbnail size on wikis, a similar change was made about 2 years ago moving the default from 180px to 220px, due to the increase in pixel density and screen sizes, both on mobile devices and desktops/laptops users, especially on mobile are feeling that images are too small, certainly out of step with what they are used to other places on the web.
Based on research from the Analytics group "There are 15580 instances logged across 393 wikis in log.PrefUpdate_5563398" to the preference that stores thumbnail default size. On english Wikipedia the current value is 220px for "default" sized thumbnail images, the size logged in and logged out users see if they haven't manually changed their preference. Of the ~15k users who have changes this preference the trend is to set the preference to a larger size, usually 300px as seen by the graph included in the bug for this issue eventually I'd love for us to move to responsively sized images, but perhaps thats a seperate discussion.
If we could try to wrap things up mid-next week (July 16) so I can work with Operations to make
Discussion on Technical Village Pump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Time_fo...
Bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67703
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia Foundation
M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
On 7/11/14, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Ambassadors,
Would love to get your feedback and input on a proposed change to default thumbnail size on wikis, a similar change was made about 2 years ago moving the default from 180px to 220px, due to the increase in pixel density and screen sizes, both on mobile devices and desktops/laptops users, especially on mobile are feeling that images are too small, certainly out of step with what they are used to other places on the web.
Based on research from the Analytics group "There are 15580 instances logged across 393 wikis in log.PrefUpdate_5563398" to the preference that stores thumbnail default size. On english Wikipedia the current value is 220px for "default" sized thumbnail images, the size logged in and logged out users see if they haven't manually changed their preference. Of the ~15k users who have changes this preference the trend is to set the preference to a larger size, usually 300px as seen by the graph included in the bug for this issue eventually I'd love for us to move to responsively sized images, but perhaps thats a seperate discussion.
If we could try to wrap things up mid-next week (July 16) so I can work with Operations to make
Discussion on Technical Village Pump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Time_fo...
Bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67703
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia Foundation
M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
Last time this was brought up (and the time before) it was vetoed. Have you discussed this with ops first? I would hate for wikipedians to get their hopes up just for it to be vetoed again.
--bawolff
On 11 July 2014 18:09, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/11/14, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Ambassadors,
Would love to get your feedback and input on a proposed change to default thumbnail size on wikis, a similar change was made about 2 years ago
moving
the default from 180px to 220px, due to the increase in pixel density and screen sizes, both on mobile devices and desktops/laptops users,
especially
on mobile are feeling that images are too small, certainly out of step
with
what they are used to other places on the web.
Based on research from the Analytics group "There are 15580 instances logged across 393 wikis in log.PrefUpdate_5563398" to the preference that stores thumbnail default size. On english Wikipedia the current value is 220px for "default" sized thumbnail images, the size logged in and logged out users see if they haven't manually changed their preference. Of the ~15k users who have changes this preference the trend is to set the preference to a larger size, usually 300px as seen by the graph included
in
the bug for this issue eventually I'd love for us to move to responsively sized images, but perhaps thats a seperate discussion.
If we could try to wrap things up mid-next week (July 16) so I can work with Operations to make
Discussion on Technical Village Pump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Time_fo...
Bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67703
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia
Foundation
M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
Last time this was brought up (and the time before) it was vetoed. Have you discussed this with ops first? I would hate for wikipedians to get their hopes up just for it to be vetoed again.
--bawolff
Yes, there are two occasions where this has been officially rejected and listed on the limits to configuration changes page because of performance issues, once in 2012 and once in 2013. [1] In other words, these aren't years-old decisions.
Risker/Anne
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Limits_to_configuration_changes
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:31:26 +0200, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, there are two occasions where this has been officially rejected and listed on the limits to configuration changes page because of performance issues, once in 2012 and once in 2013. [1] In other words, these aren't years-old decisions.
Wasn't introducing more thumbnail sizes the problem, rather than changing the default? (Sorry, no time to read through the discussions right now.)
Bartosz Dziewoński, 12/07/2014 00:57:
Wasn't introducing more thumbnail sizes the problem, rather than changing the default? (Sorry, no time to read through the discussions right now.)
No, it wasn't as clearcut. There are a number of MediaWiki RFCs on how to make thumbnailing more efficient, those definitely need to be addressed first (and it seems something may be moving). http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2014-July/thread.html https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Thumbnailing
Nemo
Yes, we're talking to Ops, Ori has given his blessing from a performance perspective, Mark B. is investigating but no immediate red flags.
*Jared Zimmerman * \ Director of User Experience \ Wikimedia Foundation
M +1 415 609 4043 \ @jaredzimmerman http://loo.ms/g0
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Bartosz Dziewoński, 12/07/2014 00:57:
Wasn't introducing more thumbnail sizes the problem, rather than changing the default? (Sorry, no time to read through the discussions right now.)
No, it wasn't as clearcut. There are a number of MediaWiki RFCs on how to make thumbnailing more efficient, those definitely need to be addressed first (and it seems something may be moving). http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/multimedia/2014-July/thread.html https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Thumbnailing
Nemo
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