Hello all,
As before, the regular updatehttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/status#2013-06-13_.28MW_1.22wmf7.29 about progress on the VisualEditor (these are now weekly):
VisualEditor was updated as part of the wider MediaWiki 1.22wmf7 branch deployment https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/wmf7 on Thursday 13 June. In the week since 1.22wmf6, the team worked on finishing the new features ahead of VisualEditor's launch as the default way users will edit our wikis in beta.
The most noticeable change for users is that *you can now insert images and other media items* from the local wiki and Commons - they default to right-floated thumbnailed images with no caption set. Images will also now appear "correctly", positioned in the normal places when editing. We will make it possible to set the caption, as well as convert images from thumbnails to inline or floating on the other side, in the coming week. We also changed the "Save page" workflow to no longer require users to view a wikitext diff before saving (bug 49258https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49258), and removed the 'alpha' notice, replacing it with a more subtle beta label (bug 48428 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48428). Work continued on inserting and editing Templates and References, the other two critical areas ahead of the release , which we hope to make available in the next week or so.
We fixed some bugs relating to support for multi-byte Unicode characters used by some languages (bug 49246https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49246 and 48630 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48630) and some tweaks to the category setting interface released last week (bug 48555https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48555 , bug 48555 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48556 and bug 48565 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48565). HTML comments and elements that have no contents like some <span>s will now not be silently dropped when editing (bug 48605https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605). You can now use the forwards and back buttons on your browser with VisualEditor as you would expect (bug 43844https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43844 ).
A complete list of individual code commits is available in the 1.22/wmf7 changeloghttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/wmf7/Changelog#VisualEditor, and all Bugzilla bugs closed in this period on Bugzilla's listhttps://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&target_milestone=VE-deploy-2013-06-13&product=VisualEditor&list_id=208323 .
Ahead of the normal schedule, this will be pushed to all wikis where it is enabled later today. If you have any questions, please do ask.
Yours,
James Forrester, 13/06/2013 19:58:
HTML comments and elements that have no contents like some |<span>|s will now not be silently dropped when editing (bug 48605 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605).
Does this mean that <span id="anchor"></span> will be removed from the pages?
Nemo
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:32:47 +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
James Forrester, 13/06/2013 19:58:
HTML comments and elements that have no contents like some |<span>|s will now not be silently dropped when editing (bug 48605 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605).
Does this mean that <span id="anchor"></span> will be removed from the pages?
It will now *not* be dropped (it used to be).
On 13 June 2013 12:09, Bartosz Dziewoński matma.rex@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:32:47 +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
James Forrester, 13/06/2013 19:58:
HTML comments and elements that have no contents like some |<span>|s will now not be silently dropped when editing (bug 48605 <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605
).
Does this mean that <span id="anchor"></span> will be removed from the pages?
It will now *not* be dropped (it used to be).
Yes, this is correct; sorry for the confusion.
Yours,
James Forrester, 13/06/2013 21:51:
On 13 June 2013 12:09, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:32:47 +0200, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>> wrote: James Forrester, 13/06/2013 19:58: HTML comments and elements that have no contents like some |<span>|s will now not be silently dropped when editing (bug 48605 <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.__org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605 <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48605>>). Does this mean that <span id="anchor"></span> will be removed from the pages? It will now *not* be dropped (it used to be).Yes, this is correct; sorry for the confusion.
Ah, sorry, my fault. Instead of looking for more clue on bugzilla I should have re-read to find all the negations in the sentence. :) Thanks.
Nemo
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.orgwrote:
The most noticeable change for users is that *you can now insert images and other media items* from the local wiki and Commons
Wonderful! A couple of questions: - Is the Commons gallery sorted by latest first or is it alphabetical? - Would it be possible to add a button "upload more" in the gallery window that would open the UploadWizard in a new tab passing as parameter the current category?
Thanks for this amazing update! Micru
On 14 June 2013 06:04, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM, James Forrester <jforrester@wikimedia.org
wrote:
The most noticeable change for users is that *you can now insert images and other media items* from the local wiki and Commons
Wonderful! A couple of questions:
- Is the Commons gallery sorted by latest first or is it alphabetical?
The gallery has the same sort as the normal search results (e.g. for "fishhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=images&search=fish&fulltext=Search" on Commons), which is I think by "relevancy", but I don't know how our search system works exactly, sorry.
We're happy to build more features to improve the media insertion tool -
* should we show more "meta-data"? * is changing what you're searching for obvious? * is it clear enough which one is selected? * and searching tool specifically - should you be able to filter by media type? language? length/resolution/format? licence? local vs. Commons? etc.
… but many of these will need to wait until the planned replacement of our search system with Solrhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search#Solr_implementation_planto do this usefully.
- Would it be possible to add a button "upload more" in the gallery window
that would open the UploadWizard in a new tab passing as parameter the current category?
We definitely want to build an upload-media button (and support drag-and-drop uploads too, possibly), but we don't have particular designs on how that should work. We're aware that before switching it on we should make sure that the Commons community are ready for potentially a lot more media items coming in.
Thanks for this amazing update!
Of course; we're happy you like it. :-)
Yours,
Thanks for the answers, James.
If it is a standard search, the results for languages other than English will be quite poor and I am not sure how the Solr migration could help in that regard. Image tagging with Wikidata items could be more effective for i18n. If there are already plans to make it happen, that is unknown to me.
About the gallery, maybe you could take a look to the proposed gallery and comments? ("Redesigning the <gallery> tag.") http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2013-June/thread.html
I like that bawolff's proposal is less gridded, but of course, that is only my subjective perception. Maybe there is room for collaboration there.
Things I missed in the VE's image gallery: - a way of accessing the Commons file page - a more clear highlighting (maybe slightly enlarging the image) - double-click to insert
But other than that, for a first release it works quite well :)
Micru
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On 14 June 2013 06:04, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:58 PM, James Forrester < jforrester@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The most noticeable change for users is that *you can now insert images and other media items* from the local wiki and Commons
Wonderful! A couple of questions:
- Is the Commons gallery sorted by latest first or is it alphabetical?
The gallery has the same sort as the normal search results (e.g. for "fishhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=images&search=fish&fulltext=Search" on Commons), which is I think by "relevancy", but I don't know how our search system works exactly, sorry.
We're happy to build more features to improve the media insertion tool -
- should we show more "meta-data"?
- is changing what you're searching for obvious?
- is it clear enough which one is selected?
- and searching tool specifically - should you be able to filter by media
type? language? length/resolution/format? licence? local vs. Commons? etc.
… but many of these will need to wait until the planned replacement of our search system with Solrhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search#Solr_implementation_planto do this usefully.
- Would it be possible to add a button "upload more" in the gallery
window that would open the UploadWizard in a new tab passing as parameter the current category?
We definitely want to build an upload-media button (and support drag-and-drop uploads too, possibly), but we don't have particular designs on how that should work. We're aware that before switching it on we should make sure that the Commons community are ready for potentially a lot more media items coming in.
Thanks for this amazing update!
Of course; we're happy you like it. :-)
Yours,
James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
jforrester@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
On 14 June 2013 11:48, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the answers, James.
If it is a standard search, the results for languages other than English will be quite poor and I am not sure how the Solr migration could help in that regard.
You're right, sorry, I should have been clearer.
Image tagging with Wikidata items could be more effective for i18n. If there are already plans to make it happen, that is unknown to me.
Yes, I think this would be a good improvement in general (as well as for VisualEditor), but I also have not heard of anyone taking this work forward. I discussed it briefly at the Amsterdam Hackathon in May with the Wikidata team as a possible future project, but nothing more than that.
About the gallery, maybe you could take a look to the proposed gallery and comments? ("Redesigning the <gallery> tag.") http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2013-June/thread.html
I replied on design-l; it seems that the discussion has been forked, which is unhelpful. Will re-post my comments there.
I like that bawolff's proposal is less gridded, but of course, that is only my subjective perception. Maybe there is room for collaboration there.
Absolutely. :-)
Things I missed in the VE's image gallery:
- a way of accessing the Commons file page
- a more clear highlighting (maybe slightly enlarging the image)
- double-click to insert
I have put these into https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49662 so we keep track of them.
But other than that, for a first release it works quite well :)
Thank you!
Yours,
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