Sorry for the short notice, but later today we will be deploying an update that will redirect tablet users by default to the MobileFrontend interface (which has been updated to better accommodate tablets). Users can still switch back to the desktop interface if they prefer it.
There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to make that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use.
For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de
This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.
More information about the tablet redirect will be posted to the WMF blog later today.
Regards, Ryan Kaldari
There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to make that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use.
For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de
This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.
This seems kind of silly, and something that should not be a user responsibility. Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension?
--bawolff
Already working on that. Regardless, many projects will want to update this message as translations of the new ToU become available, so it's good if local projects are aware of it anyway.
Ryan Kaldari
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to
make
that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use.
For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de
This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.
This seems kind of silly, and something that should not be a user responsibility. Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension?
--bawolff
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Ryan Kaldari, 17/06/2014 20:23:
Regardless, many projects will want to update this message as translations of the new ToU become available
New ToU? Did you mean new translations of the ToU? That isn't any less silly, we have Special:MyLanguage on Meta for a reason.
Nemo
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Ryan Kaldari, 17/06/2014 20:23:
Regardless, many projects will want to update this message as
translations of the new ToU become available
New ToU? Did you mean new translations of the ToU? That isn't any less silly, we have Special:MyLanguage on Meta for a reason.
The Terms of Use are on WikimediaFoundation.org, which doesn't have Special:MyLanguage. And before you reply that this is "silly", yes it's all silly. We just realized that this was an issue today, so we're fixing it in the only way possible for today's launch, which is to edit the messages locally. We'll have something better in place later.
Ryan Kaldari
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension?
BTW, I don't think WikimediaMessages is entirely working as expected lately. See also: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65514
On 6/17/14, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
Why not have a hook in mobile frontend and override the message via the WikimediaMessages extension?
BTW, I don't think WikimediaMessages is entirely working as expected lately. See also: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65514
That doesn't affect messages being overridden by a hook.
--bawolff
Ryan,
Would you please be able to inform this list again when the matter is resolved, so that we can delete the mediawiki message.
Thanks. Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:41:02 -0700, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sorry for the short notice, but later today we will be deploying an
update
that will redirect tablet users by default to the MobileFrontend
interface
(which has been updated to better accommodate tablets). Users can still switch back to the desktop interface if they prefer it.
There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to
make
that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use.
For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de
This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.
More information about the tablet redirect will be posted to the WMF
blog
later today.
Regards, Ryan Kaldari
I get reminded of https://xkcd.com/1174/ : "less information and a dumbed-down interface", "I like the tablet and desktop being the same", "Wiki for kiddies", "Mobile version sites are limited". https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/17/wikimedia-sites-get-a-new-look-on-tabl...
Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer.
Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:
Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.
And I add another question: is it technically possible to configure this switch per-wiki?
Nemo
Question/clarification:
Would you like the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url page to be created even if there is currently no translated ToU for that language? And if so should it be pointed to the non-existent page?
Thanks, André
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On 18 June 2014 10:04, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
I get reminded of https://xkcd.com/1174/ : "less information and a dumbed-down interface", "I like the tablet and desktop being the same", "Wiki for kiddies", "Mobile version sites are limited". https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/17/wikimedia-sites- get-a-new-look-on-tablets/
Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer.
Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:
Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.
And I add another question: is it technically possible to configure this switch per-wiki?
Nemo
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:55 AM, André Costa andre.costa@wikimedia.se wrote:
Question/clarification:
Would you like the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url page to be created even if there is currently no translated ToU for that language? And if so should it be pointed to the non-existent page?
If there is no translation, please point it to the English version for now: '//m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use'
As soon as the Special:MyLanguage stuff is resolved (bugs 44871 and 66762), I'll let everyone know and you can then delete the local messages.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer.
Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:
Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.
Nemo,
You were given an answer. To repeat...
The mobile report card (mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org) measures the daily and monthly editors over time. Mapping the month-to-month and year-over-year rates of change tells us what the trends are in mobile editing activity. There are also desktop editing trends in separate dashboards (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Data/Dashboards).
Steven Walling, 18/06/2014 21:06:
You were given an answer. To repeat...
The mobile report card
Thanks, I know about it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=5653002
[...] mobile editing activity. [...]
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
And then the other on how the redirect is configured.
Thanks and sorry for the confusion caused by the back and forth, Nemo
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
Nemo,
Look at the dashboards for the mobile team. They include monitoring of active editors (5+ content edits/month) and new active editors (5+ content edits/month who registered recently) on mobile. They do not include very active editors or Erik Zachte's 10+ edits metric (which we don't use much in product analysis).
The redirect is configured at the Varnish layer, specifically in text-frontend.inc.vcl.erb. Basically, it redirects any user agents that contain 'mobi', 'android', or several other strings to the mobile interface. There used to be an exemption for agents identified as tablets, but the exemption was removed.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
Nemo,
Look at the dashboards for the mobile team. They include monitoring of active editors (5+ content edits/month) and new active editors (5+ content edits/month who registered recently) on mobile. They do not include very active editors or Erik Zachte's 10+ edits metric (which we don't use much in product analysis).
-- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Walling, 18/06/2014 21:06:
You were given an answer. To repeat...
The mobile report card
Thanks, I know about it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=5653002
[...] mobile editing activity. [...]
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics
Hi, Mobile Web PM here :)
say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor"
Yes.
and maybe also "very active editor"
That's not a metric we're looking at specifically, no, though it's trivial to query and I'll probably just do it for fun :)
"new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
Yes.
And then the other on how the redirect is configured.
I think Kaldari's answered this :)
Now that Special:MyLanguage is finally available on the Foundation wiki, I've updated the i18n message to handle redirecting to the appropriate language automatically (via the WikimediaMessages extension). If your wiki has MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url overidden locally, you can now delete that page. Thanks!
Ryan Kaldari
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sorry for the short notice, but later today we will be deploying an update that will redirect tablet users by default to the MobileFrontend interface (which has been updated to better accommodate tablets). Users can still switch back to the desktop interface if they prefer it.
There is one minor local update that we want project administrators to make that is related to this update. Please edit your local instance of the MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to include the URL to the mobile version of the WMF Terms of Use in your language. The links to the translations can be found at https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use.
For example, I went ahead and set https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-terms-url to: //m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/de
This will enable the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page in the mobile/tablet interface.
More information about the tablet redirect will be posted to the WMF blog later today.
Regards, Ryan Kaldari
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