Hi all, The Collaboration team is currently working on a variety of improvements and updates to the Notifications (Echo) extension.[1]
One task is improving how the many different types of notifications are sorted, into the two fly-out menus. Your feedback would be especially appreciated here.
TL;DR: Please see this spreadsheet, listing the Current split, and 3 alternative groupings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eVQVbzVhhVejEMnVqRBC98weBnfrnZqcGExl... (or a simplified version, and without the 3rd more complex "Experimental" grouping, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018 )
The team is currently recommending we start off with the "By urgency" grouping. There is a list of Pros/Cons for each, in the spreadsheet.
Please give us feedback, either at phabricator, or at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sw196pvf5vwt6pku
Detailed information on the goals and background of this task, is included in both the phabricator and mediawiki.org links.
Much thanks, Quiddity / Nick
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications#Future_plans_and_requests_for_f...
Quiddity,
Unfortunately I don't see that this is in a state ready to take to our communities for a conversation. It is full of jargon, and many of the components mentioned are only specific to some wikis, not many wikis, and I represent an English speaking community, let alone English as a second-plus language. Further dumping this onto communities poking them to phabricator, and to mediawikiwiki talk pages is not useful for vast parts of our communities, or for those with fortitude.
To be taken to a community it needs a tighter scope, and something that the community can reasonably understand what it means for that community, the changes that it would make and the outcome would be ...
Maybe you could start with the bite-size of what is the purpose of phase 1, why it is urgent, what you are looking to achieve and how each community's can address the global needs, and/or how a repurposing might cause issues/
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all, The Collaboration team is currently working on a variety of improvements and updates to the Notifications (Echo) extension.[1]
One task is improving how the many different types of notifications are sorted, into the two fly-out menus. Your feedback would be especially appreciated here.
TL;DR: Please see this spreadsheet, listing the Current split, and 3 alternative groupings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eVQVbzVhhVejEMnVqRBC98weBnfrnZqcGExl... (or a simplified version, and without the 3rd more complex "Experimental" grouping, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018 )
The team is currently recommending we start off with the "By urgency" grouping. There is a list of Pros/Cons for each, in the spreadsheet.
Please give us feedback, either at phabricator, or at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sw196pvf5vwt6pku
Detailed information on the goals and background of this task, is included in both the phabricator and mediawiki.org links.
Much thanks, Quiddity / Nick
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications#Future_plans_and_requests_for_f...
Nick Wilson (Quiddity) Community Liaison Wikimedia Foundation
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
Billinghurst, thank you for the feedback.
I've tried to trim back as much detail and jargon as possible, whilst still answering your points, and made a translatable version at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications/Sorting_schemes
Further suggestions welcome. (Finding a balance between simplicity and complexity (in the initial request, and the details at the destination) is always one of the most difficult parts of technical collaboration.)
Hope that helps, and thanks again. Quiddity
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:01 AM, billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Quiddity,
Unfortunately I don't see that this is in a state ready to take to our communities for a conversation. It is full of jargon, and many of the components mentioned are only specific to some wikis, not many wikis, and I represent an English speaking community, let alone English as a second-plus language. Further dumping this onto communities poking them to phabricator, and to mediawikiwiki talk pages is not useful for vast parts of our communities, or for those with fortitude.
To be taken to a community it needs a tighter scope, and something that the community can reasonably understand what it means for that community, the changes that it would make and the outcome would be ...
Maybe you could start with the bite-size of what is the purpose of phase 1, why it is urgent, what you are looking to achieve and how each community's can address the global needs, and/or how a repurposing might cause issues/
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all, The Collaboration team is currently working on a variety of improvements and updates to the Notifications (Echo) extension.[1]
One task is improving how the many different types of notifications are sorted, into the two fly-out menus. Your feedback would be especially appreciated here.
TL;DR: Please see this spreadsheet, listing the Current split, and 3 alternative groupings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eVQVbzVhhVejEMnVqRBC98weBnfrnZqcGExl... (or a simplified version, and without the 3rd more complex "Experimental" grouping, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018 )
The team is currently recommending we start off with the "By urgency" grouping. There is a list of Pros/Cons for each, in the spreadsheet.
Please give us feedback, either at phabricator, or at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sw196pvf5vwt6pku
Detailed information on the goals and background of this task, is included in both the phabricator and mediawiki.org links.
Much thanks, Quiddity / Nick
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications#Future_plans_and_requests_for_f...
Nick Wilson (Quiddity) Community Liaison Wikimedia Foundation
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
I know that it is a tough call to find the balance. Much appreciated that you made the effort.
That page link with some puffery has been added to VP equivalent pages at enWS and meta.
-- billinghurst
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Billinghurst, thank you for the feedback.
I've tried to trim back as much detail and jargon as possible, whilst still answering your points, and made a translatable version at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications/Sorting_schemes
Further suggestions welcome. (Finding a balance between simplicity and complexity (in the initial request, and the details at the destination) is always one of the most difficult parts of technical collaboration.)
Hope that helps, and thanks again. Quiddity
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:01 AM, billinghurst billinghurstwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Quiddity,
Unfortunately I don't see that this is in a state ready to take to our communities for a conversation. It is full of jargon, and many of the components mentioned are only specific to some wikis, not many wikis, and I represent an English speaking community, let alone English as a second-plus language. Further dumping this onto communities poking them to phabricator, and to mediawikiwiki talk pages is not useful for vast parts of our communities, or for those with fortitude.
To be taken to a community it needs a tighter scope, and something that the community can reasonably understand what it means for that community, the changes that it would make and the outcome would be ...
Maybe you could start with the bite-size of what is the purpose of phase 1, why it is urgent, what you are looking to achieve and how each community's can address the global needs, and/or how a repurposing might cause issues/
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) nwilson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all, The Collaboration team is currently working on a variety of improvements and updates to the Notifications (Echo) extension.[1]
One task is improving how the many different types of notifications are sorted, into the two fly-out menus. Your feedback would be especially appreciated here.
TL;DR: Please see this spreadsheet, listing the Current split, and 3 alternative groupings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eVQVbzVhhVejEMnVqRBC98weBnfrnZqcGExl... (or a simplified version, and without the 3rd more complex "Experimental" grouping, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018 )
The team is currently recommending we start off with the "By urgency" grouping. There is a list of Pros/Cons for each, in the spreadsheet.
Please give us feedback, either at phabricator, or at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sw196pvf5vwt6pku
Detailed information on the goals and background of this task, is included in both the phabricator and mediawiki.org links.
Much thanks, Quiddity / Nick
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Notifications#Future_plans_and_requests_for_f...
Nick Wilson (Quiddity) Community Liaison Wikimedia Foundation
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
-- Nick Wilson (Quiddity) Community Liaison Wikimedia Foundation
Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list Wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors
wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org