I actually agree with the encouraging people to go to commons, however there's probably a limit to what we can do with the tabs while still having a tab for creating local descriptions, which can be useful sometimes.

Of course translatewiki takes the approach of just disabling edits in the File namespace ( http://translatewiki.net/wiki/File:Example.png ), so there is always that. I think there was some suggestion of having an "edit on commons" tab but as the commit summary noted ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/104182/ ) there is the potential for users to be confused about where they are editing and that suddenly they are on another site (doubly so if not a wikimedia wiki with no sul)

Anyways, i should reiterate, the thanks should go to [[User:This,_that_and_the_other]] who actually pushed the change forward, all I did was send some outreach notices about it.

Cheers, Bawolff

On Apr 8, 2014 7:26 AM, "billinghurst" billinghurst@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks Brian. I do wonder why we would encourage a local description, when there is better value (IMO) in having additional language description to the file at Commons.

Regards, Billinghurst

On Tue, 8 Apr 2014 00:28:46 -0300, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi folks,

tl;dr : The navigation tabs at the top of pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Rousseau_009.jpg, are soon going to look like

http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:16001000395904-Kiruna...

...

This is a small change, but its a UI change, so I thought a mail to wikitech-ambassadors couldn't hurt. [[User:This,_that_and_the_other]] recently made a cool change to how the tabs of image pages on local wikis (wikipedia, etc) for files on commons, work. Previously such a page displayed a "create" tab, and generally looked like what the tabs look like for a page that doesn't exist. For example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Rousseau_009.jpg . After this change there will be tabs for "View this image on Wikimedia Commons" and "Create local description" (or "Edit local description" if it already exists). There will be no changes to file pages at commons, or the file pages of locally uploaded files.

The change is part of 1.23wmf22, and will probably go live on April 10 to test.wikipedia.org/test2.wikipedia.org/mediawiki.org, non-wikipedia sister projects on April 15, and Wikipedias on April 17. (See deployment calender at

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.23/Roadmap#Schedule_for_the_deplo...

...

for details on the deployment schedule )

You can view a screenshot of what it will look like at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_foreign_repo_file_tabs.png . You can test it out for real right now at beta wiki

http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:16001000395904-Kiruna...

...

--bawolff

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2014-04-08 20:06 GMT+02:00 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com:

Thanks for the the improvement itself, looks very good.

But for wikis with disabled local uploads or limited usage of the local file namespace I would like to see a core function/setting to skip the local file page and redirect to Commons directly.

Currently a Gadget is necessary for this skip (like on dewiki).

No, you do not really need a gadget. On svwiki it is solved in common.jshttps://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js .

*Best regards,Jan Ainali*

Thanks again Brian, it intended to be a more generic/rhetorical question, rather than aimed directly at you. With matters like this, it is often the situation of asking the question that challenges the status quo position. To me it was/is not evident that we have recently asked the question of why do we still retain local editing tabs for images at Commons. While it was suggested to do a bugzilla, I do not see that a bugzilla is the means to address this as it is not so much a technological decision, but instead a community decision over a process.

I would see that this may be more about an RFC at meta that proposes that the default for WMF wikis becomes no local editing tabs, though allows local wikis to have the ability to turn on the paired local tabs by local decision. So prior to launching such a discussion, could someone with the hacking knowledge address how much programming change would be required to have the situation of * on File: ns, that for files at Commons, that the local tab can be turned off as the default, and that local communities can have the ability to turn on local tabs * that where the above is set, that where local File: exist (in combination with Commons File:), that the local ability to edit File: is unaffected

Such an approach would seem to fit within the design of where some communities have local upload, and for those that do not.

That gives the means for starting an RFC to propose the change to the broader community, and will provide the solution for communities who wish to opt out. Such an RFC should also address for local wikis, what local tabs is provided to get editing available to files at Commons.

So as we have the views of many of the communities and the hackers, does that sound like a reasonable approach to take to progress this matter?

Regards, Billinghurst

On Tue, 8 Apr 2014 15:00:54 -0300, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:

I actually agree with the encouraging people to go to commons, however there's probably a limit to what we can do with the tabs while still

having

a tab for creating local descriptions, which can be useful sometimes.

Of course translatewiki takes the approach of just disabling edits in

the

File namespace ( http://translatewiki.net/wiki/File:Example.png ), so

there

is always that. I think there was some suggestion of having an "edit on commons" tab but as the commit summary noted ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/104182/ ) there is the potential for users to be confused about where they are editing and that suddenly they are on another site (doubly so if not a wikimedia wiki with no sul)

Anyways, i should reiterate, the thanks should go to [[User:This,_that_and_the_other]] who actually pushed the change

forward,

all I did was send some outreach notices about it.

Cheers, Bawolff

On Apr 8, 2014 7:26 AM, "billinghurst" billinghurst@gmail.com wrote:

...

Thanks Brian. I do wonder why we would encourage a local description, when there is better value (IMO) in having additional language description to the file at Commons.

Regards, Billinghurst

On Tue, 8 Apr 2014 00:28:46 -0300, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com

wrote:

...

...

Hi folks,

tl;dr : The navigation tabs at the top of pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Rousseau_009.jpg, are soon going to look like

http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:16001000395904-Kiruna...

...

...

This is a small change, but its a UI change, so I thought a mail to wikitech-ambassadors couldn't hurt. [[User:This,_that_and_the_other]] recently made a cool change to how the tabs of image pages on local wikis (wikipedia, etc) for files on commons, work. Previously such a page displayed a "create" tab, and generally looked like what the

tabs

...

...

look like for a page that doesn't exist. For example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Rousseau_009.jpg . After

this

...

...

change there will be tabs for "View this image on Wikimedia Commons" and "Create local description" (or "Edit local description" if it already exists). There will be no changes to file pages at commons,

or

...

...

the file pages of locally uploaded files.

The change is part of 1.23wmf22, and will probably go live on April

10

...

...

to test.wikipedia.org/test2.wikipedia.org/mediawiki.org,

non-wikipedia

...

...

sister projects on April 15, and Wikipedias on April 17. (See deployment calender at

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.23/Roadmap#Schedule_for_the_deplo...

...

...

for details on the deployment schedule )

You can view a screenshot of what it will look like at

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_foreign_repo_file_tabs.png

...

...

. You can test it out for real right now at beta wiki

http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:16001000395904-Kiruna...

...

...

--bawolff

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On 04/08/2014 06:26 AM, billinghurst wrote:

Thanks Brian. I do wonder why we would encourage a local description, when there is better value (IMO) in having additional language description to the file at Commons.

One example is to mark that an image is featured locally. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bufotes_balearicus_female_quadrat.jpg has:

{{FeaturedPicture|File:Bufotes balearicus female quadrat.jpg}}

as the local description.

As a related note, it's confusing when viewing that local page what comes from where. The order is:

<General notice that the image is on/from Commons> <Local description> <Commons description>

Matt Flaschen