Conversely, for those of us who don't have ready access/knowledge to add
the variant characters to our searches specific to languages (even if we know or loops from our chicken scratchings), it becomes difficult to find things in searches unless they are clumped together. For someone non-indigenous to the language finding Åland when I can only type or know Aland means I probably won't find something, which indicates means that there needs to be some wriggle room here.
Wriggle room is fine, but should the search be optimized for the people who speak the language or anyone who might pass by? The statistics would probably be considered here. As a non-Mandarin speaking person, I would rather not edit things in Mandarin, because it makes more sense to leave that to people who can actually speak Mandarin.
In Swedish, ÅÄÖ are as much different letters from A and O as W is from V. To lump results from A and Å together will make a lot of Swedes confused. Now, I can manage (though it takes longer to find it), but there is no non-Wikipedian who will find Åland if the search demands that you replace Å with A. And there are of course plenty of exemples of words that differ on that one first letter, for instance Arla (which is a milk company) and Ärla (which is a type of bird).
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
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To: wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:27:15 +1100 From: billinghurst@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Would any other wikis like to try out a new search?
Lennart,
Conversely, for those of us who don't have ready access/knowledge to add the variant characters to our searches specific to languages (even if we know or loops from our chicken scratchings), it becomes difficult to find things in searches unless they are clumped together. For someone non-indigenous to the language finding Åland when I can only type or know Aland means I probably won't find something, which indicates means that there needs to be some wriggle room here.
When working at Wikidata, especially in your non-native language where they are not standard ascii characters is very difficult if you don't have know the characters.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:14:43 +0000, Lennart Guldbrandsson lennart@elementx.se wrote:
Hello,
One problem on Swedish Wikipedia with the current search engine is that
it
just doesn't do characters like å, ä and ö (which are three common
letters
in Swedish) well. They are lumped together with a and o respectively,
which
is like getting your i-words lumped together with your j-words. Åland is followed by Alaska, for example. So, as one user answered this question, does this function do this better? If it isn't, why should we test it on Swedish Wikipedia? His words, not mine.
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
070 - 207 80 05 http://www.elementx.se - arbete http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
Presentation @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
tillgång
till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
Jimmy Wales
From: jeanfrederic.wiki@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:32:30 +0200 To: wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org CC: chorohoe@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Would any other wikis like to try
out
a new search?
Hi Nik,
I'm looking for volunteer wikis to try out the new search that Chad and I've been working on called CirrusSearch.
<sales pitch>Be a part of the second wave of wikis and influence new search features!</sales pitch>
I would have a question − sorry if it was answered already but I did not find it mentionned in the Mediawiki.org pages − please point me to the right place if so.
- CirrusSearch indexes expanded templates.
How does CirrusSearch handle cross-namespace transclusions like the one used on Wikisource?
See for example https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/On_ne_badine_pas_avec_l%E2%80%99amour, which is merely the super-transclusion of text from the Page: namespace. Search of whatever string from the play text does not (necessarily)
return
the page of the play itself (though your mileage may vary [1]).
Thanks!
[1] For example, http://ur1.ca/fwoys does not return me https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Les_mots_tristes ; but
does return me https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Malheur_%C3%A0_moi_!…
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