If there is to be a status icon for the Version History lines which is to signify the unvandalized state, the one attached might do. I usually try to avoid language-specific content in a simple icon, but in this case I think it will get across the idea better than most alternatives. I guess this would work for the German WP as well as the English WP.
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I'd prefer a strikethrough version of a spraying can.
On 4/26/07, R. S. Shaw shaww@inbox.com wrote:
If there is to be a status icon for the Version History lines which is to signify the unvandalized state, the one attached might do. I usually try to avoid language-specific content in a simple icon, but in this case I think it will get across the idea better than most alternatives. I guess this would work for the German WP as well as the English WP.
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My problem with the V is, that by calling the version unvandalized, we point the readers to the phenomenon of vandalism. Therefore, I prefer sighted.
Keep in mind that this icon will soon be all over Wikipedia. I'm not sure I would like this to be a striked sign, but I can't come up with something better. Mh, must think about that.
Bye,
Philipp
P. Birken schrieb:
Keep in mind that this icon will soon be all over Wikipedia.
Do we need an icon for "sighted" at all? I assume that our readers will prefer to have icons and boxes on top of articles as few as possible. It could be better to use labels only if there's something wrong.
Greetings Frank
2007/4/26, Frank Schulenburg Frank.Schulenburg@wikimedia.de:
Do we need an icon for "sighted" at all? I assume that our readers will prefer to have icons and boxes on top of articles as few as possible. It could be better to use labels only if there's something wrong.
I believe that these icons will make life easier, both for readers as well as editors. In particular, assume an article with both sighted and reviewed versions. Then, having supplementary icons to the textbox will make it much more clear what is the situation there. Otherwise, you always have to browse the textbox. I suggest going for the icons. Afterwards, we can still decide that we want a text-only solution.
Bye,
Philipp
2007/4/26, Frank Schulenburg Frank.Schulenburg@wikimedia.de:
Do we need an icon for "sighted" at all? I assume that our readers will prefer to have icons and boxes on top of articles as few as possible. It could be better to use labels only if there's something wrong.
I agree completely that readers should get as few boxes and icons as possible. We editors often forget that the encyclopedia reader has visited to get information on a subject, not on the status of an article about that subject. The default page presentation should have _no_ box or icon on it (if marked as at least sighted), perhaps excepting a small footnote at the bottom.
pbirken wrote:
I believe that these icons will make life easier, both for readers as well as editors. In particular, assume an article with both sighted and reviewed versions. Then, having supplementary icons to the textbox will make it much more clear what is the situation there. Otherwise, you always have to browse the textbox. I suggest going for the icons. Afterwards, we can still decide that we want a text-only solution.
For editors, I agree (if we get good, distinctive graphics). Editors would want to know at a glance if a revsion is unrated, "sighted", rated-but-below-minimum (if distinct), or meets-minimum. For readers, though, this is almost always unappreciated noise, and we should keep it to a minimum. When a reader hits the tab to get to the "current version", then he is beginning a role as an editor, and a status box for the revision would then be appropriate I think.
-RS
R. S. Shaw wrote:
If there is to be a status icon for the Version History lines which is to signify the unvandalized state, the one attached might do. I usually try to avoid language-specific content in a simple icon, but in this case I think it will get across the idea better than most alternatives. I guess this would work for the German WP as well as the English WP.
Thanks for the icon!
In my opinion (IAMAD - no designer) I wonder if a 'negative' icon for something positive works that well - so instead saying 'not vandalized' a 'sighted' icon could be preferable..
Cheers,
Joerg
Joerg wrote:
In my opinion (IAMAD - no designer) I wonder if a 'negative' icon for something positive works that well - so instead saying 'not vandalized' a 'sighted' icon could be preferable..
I see what you mean. One reason I tried the not-V icon is that (since this is for editors) it reinforces what setting the "sighted" status really means, and therefore what the editor should do before setting it (look for vandalism). Since "sighted" is not saying the article sources are good, coverage is good etc, this immediately tells an unfamiliar editor exactly what is implied.
I don't see how a 'positive' icon would show this; it requires the icon viewer to already know the scheme details and not get confused about which 'sighted' or 'examined' label means what or corresponds to which icon.
One difficulty here is what the 'sighted' state will be known as in the non-German encyclopedias. In English, "Sighted" in this context is odd and doesn't communicate much (in my estimation). Maybe it can be used, or maybe some other term that is similar in theme, such as 'seen', 'surveyed', or 'skimmed'.
In that vision theme, one 'positive' icon would be an eye (eyeball). In American slang, 'eyeballing' means going over something with some, but not overly much, attention.
-RS
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2007/4/26, R. S. Shaw shaww@inbox.com:
One difficulty here is what the 'sighted' state will be known as in the non-German encyclopedias. In English, "Sighted" in this context is odd and doesn't communicate much (in my estimation). Maybe it can be used, or maybe some other term that is similar in theme, such as 'seen', 'surveyed', or 'skimmed'.
The terms will be "gesichtet" (see [[de:Wikipedia:Gesichtete Versionen]]) and "geprueft" (see [[de:Wikipedia:Gepürfte Versionen]]). "Sichten" means something like browsing/skimming through text. However, I have absolutely no idea about the connotations a native speaker has with skimmed/browsed/sighted/whatever, so please help :-)
In that vision theme, one 'positive' icon would be an eye (eyeball). In American slang, 'eyeballing' means going over something with some, but not overly much, attention.
As long as we are not associated with the Illuminati ;-)
Bye,
Philipp
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