Hi, Wikimetrics folks!
I mentioned to Dan a while back that I would find it super useful if gender (for those who self-identify on their user accounts) were incorporated into the cohort information on Wikimetrics. Since this isn't currently available, Dan mentioned asking others if they would find it useful.
If you would find it useful to be able to pull the gender of your cohorts, please let us know! I personally work with students and would like to see how much content our women are adding to Wikipedia, if there are any differences in editing behavior from a gender standpoint, which academic disciplines draw more women onto Wikipedia, etc.
Thanks! Jami
Hi Jaime, and everyone,
+1!
That would definitely be useful for me as well. Since the education programs I work with are relatively small, we can usually suss out some data informally or through surveys — but it would be great to be able to do more than say X number of our participants are women. Saying X amount of content is from female editors, and being able to do more data analysis that Jaime mentioned would be awesome and could help inform decisions we make about Wikipedia Education Programs in the future :)
Tighe
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Jami Mathewson jami@wikiedu.org wrote:
Hi, Wikimetrics folks!
I mentioned to Dan a while back that I would find it super useful if gender (for those who self-identify on their user accounts) were incorporated into the cohort information on Wikimetrics. Since this isn't currently available, Dan mentioned asking others if they would find it useful.
If you would find it useful to be able to pull the gender of your cohorts, please let us know! I personally work with students and would like to see how much content our women are adding to Wikipedia, if there are any differences in editing behavior from a gender standpoint, which academic disciplines draw more women onto Wikipedia, etc.
Thanks! Jami
-- Jami Mathewson Program Manager Wiki Education Foundation jami@wikiedu.org jami@wikiedfoundation.org User:Jami (Wiki Ed) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jami_(Wiki_Ed) @WikiEducation https://twitter.com/WikiEducation wikiedu.org
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jami Mathewson jami@wikiedu.org wrote:
I mentioned to Dan a while back that I would find it super useful if gender (for those who self-identify on their user accounts) were incorporated into the cohort information on Wikimetrics
Hi Jami,
Do you mean the gender specified in a user's preferences?
Especially with the current design,[1] I would encourage us not to rely on this preference as an accurate representation of the gender distribution of Wikimedia accounts.
The purpose of this preference is for software localization, not developing a profile of users. Consider that users have to wade through Preferences in order to find this, and there is little incentive for them to fuss with it if their language doesn't have a grammatical gender. It's not likely to be reliable data on the topic. Tighe's approach is probably much more accurate, especially when dealing with new editors.
1. Screenshot https://i.imgur.com/NsoZJeL.png
But if they don't find it, they just wouldn't select it, right? Or was your image suggesting it defaults to "he" unless they change it?
I'm not actually looking to look at the balance for all user accounts but am looking to identify the women in a particular cohort to see what content they are adding. So even having some who don't identify would be ok, so long as I could get a better data set from those who do actually make the choice.
I understand if that can't be made a priority, though, because, globally, there are languages that don't have a grammatical gender. Is there any other way to pull that data publicly?
(My cohorts are quite large, and surveys rarely get enough responses to give me very good data).
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jami Mathewson jami@wikiedu.org wrote:
I mentioned to Dan a while back that I would find it super useful if gender (for those who self-identify on their user accounts) were incorporated into the cohort information on Wikimetrics
Hi Jami,
Do you mean the gender specified in a user's preferences?
Especially with the current design,[1] I would encourage us not to rely on this preference as an accurate representation of the gender distribution of Wikimedia accounts.
The purpose of this preference is for software localization, not developing a profile of users. Consider that users have to wade through Preferences in order to find this, and there is little incentive for them to fuss with it if their language doesn't have a grammatical gender. It's not likely to be reliable data on the topic. Tighe's approach is probably much more accurate, especially when dealing with new editors.
- Screenshot https://i.imgur.com/NsoZJeL.png
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So even having some who don't identify would be ok, so long as I could get
a better data set from those who do actually make the choice. I think Steven's point was that not enough people make the choice for the gender data to be significant.
Before actually adding gender we should look at whether that data is populated in a wide enough array of users.
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Jami Mathewson jami@wikiedu.org wrote:
But if they don't find it, they just wouldn't select it, right? Or was your image suggesting it defaults to "he" unless they change it?
I'm not actually looking to look at the balance for all user accounts but am looking to identify the women in a particular cohort to see what content they are adding. So even having some who don't identify would be ok, so long as I could get a better data set from those who do actually make the choice.
I understand if that can't be made a priority, though, because, globally, there are languages that don't have a grammatical gender. Is there any other way to pull that data publicly?
(My cohorts are quite large, and surveys rarely get enough responses to give me very good data).
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jami Mathewson jami@wikiedu.org wrote:
I mentioned to Dan a while back that I would find it super useful if gender (for those who self-identify on their user accounts) were incorporated into the cohort information on Wikimetrics
Hi Jami,
Do you mean the gender specified in a user's preferences?
Especially with the current design,[1] I would encourage us not to rely on this preference as an accurate representation of the gender distribution of Wikimedia accounts.
The purpose of this preference is for software localization, not developing a profile of users. Consider that users have to wade through Preferences in order to find this, and there is little incentive for them to fuss with it if their language doesn't have a grammatical gender. It's not likely to be reliable data on the topic. Tighe's approach is probably much more accurate, especially when dealing with new editors.
- Screenshot https://i.imgur.com/NsoZJeL.png
-- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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-- Jami Mathewson Program Manager Wiki Education Foundation jami@wikiedu.org jami@wikiedfoundation.org User:Jami (Wiki Ed) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jami_(Wiki_Ed) @WikiEducation https://twitter.com/WikiEducation wikiedu.org
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