Hi Grace,
A thought here, all this seems premature. Under what basis will people vote. Kwc is the main indicator here and if a voter didn't participate, his / her choice might be misinformed.
Regards, Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 2:08 AM PDT Grace Kariuki wrote:
hi everyone,
indeed i get lilian's point of view.but on the other hand you cannot just say that someone should represent us just becoz he hasnt done it before.we vote based on commitment,dedication and other wikimedian traits and thats why oscars opinion of the 4 people voting for themselves is wierd.
i think we all know what the challenge involved,maybe the new wikimedians.the person to be selected will be representing the kenya team and therefore i fully disagree with oscar.i think every kenyan wikimedian should have a vote.
on this basis,i took time to create a link that will lead everyone to the doodle that will be used to vote.i and chris(the acting judges) will be closing the doodle on friday at 12:00pm.(kenyan time)
Am sure we can do this without complicating the issue further.we have to prove that we are capable of tackling such small issues becoz greater things await as especially once we are given a charter.
All the 4 participants are great people,make your judgments wisely all wikimedian votes will remain confidential and we(chris and i)will announce the results on friday at around 2pm.
if there are no objections,all the best.incase there are objections,we will be glad to hear them out coz we are a team.
On 6/20/11, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Guys, From my understanding of this thread,the SA and Botswana Challenge offer was directed to the KWC participants on thus Mailing list.I think the 4 of us can easily agree on the person tp represent us based on the challenges and hardships we went through during the KWC.It doesn't make sense to have guys who dint and perhaps dont know what KWC was all about voting/vetting or deciding who among us should go.
Plus this is going to be a teaching/sharing event and thus not fun as some of us have understood it.As such the vetting/voting thing should be left to the 4participants to decide among themselves after-all why would you vote for something you dont/dint know about it till this thread???
P/s: 1;Sam,it would be very nice for you to share your thoughts,challenges and any piece of advice you got about the KWC.I know you have lots that would benefit the SA and Botwsana. 2:the participants should all draft about there challenges and lessons from the KWC and present theme to the representative so trhat they may benefit the SA/Botswana Challenges
I will be very much willing to share my personal frustrations and challenges with whoever will be going to SA
Regards,
On 6/20/11, lilian nyarera lireshi@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi good people!! Just a point of view. I think given the list of eligibles , Sam should represent us.Just an equal opportunity base. However, if he isn't interested, vetting should then be done. My consideration idea was, Abbas and Oscar represented us at Germany, Alex is going for the WikiMania thing so Sam should stand this chance ;if only he is interested!! cheers, Lilian.
On Fri Jun 17th, 2011 4:51 PM PDT Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually, I think Asaf was clear in what he said:
I* think it makes sense to have one trainer from the Wikipedian community in South Africa, for familiarity with (at least some of) the languages, and another trainer from among those of you who participated in the 2009 Swahili challenge, for your insight on the Challenge itself and on the process.*
To my understanding of the above statement, Asaf says that he wants one person from SA and one from Kenya.
That's correct. I'm still waiting for a response from the Wikimedia South Africa group. In the unlikely event we can't find a volunteer there, we'll need two from your group. I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks!
Asaf
Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
-- Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Hie People;
For once i think we are lossing forcus on this matter, and further shows how far we need to go to establish structures for efficiency in future events. More pressing issues like the Wikipedia for schools, Wikipedia in Nairobi should take precedence.
Oscar Okwero Strathmore University
--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New Wikipedia Challenge in Africa To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 10:17 AM
Hi Grace,
A thought here, all this seems premature. Under what basis will people vote. Kwc is the main indicator here and if a voter didn't participate, his / her choice might be misinformed.
Regards, Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 2:08 AM PDT Grace Kariuki wrote:
hi everyone,
indeed i get lilian's point of view.but on the other hand you cannot just say that someone should represent us just becoz he hasnt done it before.we vote based on commitment,dedication and other wikimedian traits and thats why oscars opinion of the 4 people voting for themselves is wierd.
i think we all know what the challenge involved,maybe the new wikimedians.the person to be selected will be representing the kenya team and therefore i fully disagree with oscar.i think every kenyan wikimedian should have a vote.
on this basis,i took time to create a link that will lead everyone to the doodle that will be used to vote.i and chris(the acting judges) will be closing the doodle on friday at 12:00pm.(kenyan time)
Am sure we can do this without complicating the issue further.we have to prove that we are capable of tackling such small issues becoz greater things await as especially once we are given a charter.
All the 4 participants are great people,make your judgments wisely all wikimedian votes will remain confidential and we(chris and i)will announce the results on friday at around 2pm.
if there are no objections,all the best.incase there are objections,we will be glad to hear them out coz we are a team.
On 6/20/11, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Guys, From my understanding of this thread,the SA and Botswana Challenge offer was directed to the KWC participants on thus Mailing list.I think the 4 of us can easily agree on the person tp represent us based on the challenges and hardships we went through during the KWC.It doesn't make sense to have guys who dint and perhaps dont know what KWC was all about voting/vetting or deciding who among us should go.
Plus this is going to be a teaching/sharing event and thus not fun as some of us have understood it.As such the vetting/voting thing should be left to the 4participants to decide among themselves after-all why would you vote for something you dont/dint know about it till this thread???
P/s: 1;Sam,it would be very nice for you to share your thoughts,challenges and any piece of advice you got about the KWC.I know you have lots that would benefit the SA and Botwsana. 2:the participants should all draft about there challenges and lessons from the KWC and present theme to the representative so trhat they may benefit the SA/Botswana Challenges
I will be very much willing to share my personal frustrations and challenges with whoever will be going to SA
Regards,
On 6/20/11, lilian nyarera lireshi@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi good people!! Just a point of view. I think given the list of eligibles , Sam should represent us.Just an equal opportunity base. However, if he isn't interested, vetting should then be done. My consideration idea was, Abbas and Oscar represented us at Germany, Alex is going for the WikiMania thing so Sam should stand this chance ;if only he is interested!! cheers, Lilian.
On Fri Jun 17th, 2011 4:51 PM PDT Asaf Bartov wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
Actually, I think Asaf was clear in what he said:
I* think it makes sense to have one trainer from the Wikipedian community in South Africa, for familiarity with (at least some of) the languages, and another trainer from among those of you who participated in the 2009 Swahili challenge, for your insight on the Challenge itself and on the process.*
To my understanding of the above statement, Asaf says that he wants one person from SA and one from Kenya.
That's correct. I'm still waiting for a response from the Wikimedia South Africa group. In the unlikely event we can't find a volunteer there, we'll need two from your group. I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks!
Asaf
Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
-- Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
_______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Hello, everyone.
I have an announcement about this: it seems we will have difficulty starting at the original timeline, as the isiZulu and Setswana Wikipedia communities are entirely inactive. We will need to perform some basic outreach activity in those language communities first, to see if we can create a core of contributors who would then be able to absorb the work of the Challenge participants.
We are therefore postponing the Challenge by at least 2-3 months, and so there's plenty of time to think about who volunteers to be a trainer.
As some have noted in your discussion, the training week is going to be pretty intensive, not just a fun trip and sitting in on some lectures... The trainer would first have to prepare, using materials provided by the WMF (in English) as well as their own KWC experience (and yes, in case it's still unclear -- we need a trainer who participated in KWC in 2009), and then, during the training week, deliver detailed training on the principles behind Wikipedia, on good encyclopedic style (facts, not opinions; neutral point of view; etc.), and on the technical side of using the Wikipedia platform (i.e. Mediawiki software).
I understand it may be difficult to come to a decision about the trainer, especially as your group doesn't have internal structure yet, so decision-making except by consensus can be tricky. If your group would prefer it, the Foundation is willing to pick the trainer itself.
Anyhow, I suggest we wait a couple of weeks until things are clearer about whether we can make any progress with isiZulu and Setswana contributors, so we can have a revised timeline.
In the meantime, let's focus on Kenya. (and see my next message in a separate thread)
Thanks,
Asaf
wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org