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[Wikimedia Kenya] New Wikipedia Challenge in Africa
by Asaf Bartov 16 Jun '11

16 Jun '11

Hello, everyone. Many of you know of the Google-sponsored Wikipedia Swahili Challenge of 2009. Google is interested in running another such project, this time focused on three languages in South Africa and Botswana -- Setswana, isiZulu, and Afrikaans. As in 2009, there will be prizes, the grand prize being attending Wikimania _2012_ (in Washington DC). The Wikimedia Foundation is collaborating with Google to make this happen, trying to learn from past experience and improve the competition this time around. One such lesson is the need for more intensive training for the participants, the vast majority of whom are non-Wikipedians. To that end, the plan is to have concentrated training days in 2-3 universities in South Africa and 2-3 universities in Botswana, so about a whole week of training days. I think it makes sense to have one trainer from the Wikipedian community in South Africa, for familiarity with (at least some of) the languages, and another trainer from among those of you who participated in the 2009 Swahili challenge, for your insight on the Challenge itself and on the process. The timeline is pretty tight -- Google wants to announce the Challenge July 1st, have the trainings on _the week beginning July 25th_, and open submissions August 1st (till October 3rd). My question to you -- is any of you interested in delivering this training, _and_ is available on that week for an entire week, _and_ is able to travel to these countries (passports etc.)? The travel costs will be covered by the Foundation, and accommodation covered by Google. Thank you for considering this offer. Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation

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[Wikimedia Kenya] hi
by Gerrard kosgei 16 Jun '11

16 Jun '11

I am Gerrard. I am glad to join one of the premier institutions in the world.I hope i can work with you wherever possible in increasing the level of the knowledge in the world.

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association (Semi-final draft)
by Alex Wafula 15 Jun '11

15 Jun '11

Hey Oscar, Regarding signatory to funds, I think the treasurer's signature with the other signatory being any member of the board plus the chair's knowledge of this should work. As for voting, I think this is adequately covered under 'General Meetings'. Voting is by show of hands and can be by poll if requested by a member. Alex. On Wed Jun 15th, 2011 11:26 AM PDT Limoke Oscar wrote: >Asaf and Oliver, >Thanks for the input.You have addressed my concerns and fear.I was >afraid the proxy clause may be abused by members but with strict >measures like you have proposed,I now am comfortable with it. > >I however raised a few other pertinent issues like the Signatories to >the Funds be explicitly defined in the By-Laws and the Treasurer >should not be allowed to sign/spend money without knowledge of the >Chair(I like the shortened version too..:-) ) and vice verser... > >Another issue is on the clause on voting at Meetings by Show of >hands...well i would suggest we make it secret ballot too.This is >because I think people would vote more comfortably by secret ballot. > >BTW,Was proxy the only issue Abbas sort our opinion?Looks like that's >the only clause that has been exhaustively discussed.Lets discuss >other clauses too... > >Regards, > >On 6/15/11, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the feedback. I'm redacting the bylaws following the proposed >> revisions, and will submit the final version to chapcom for approval (at >> last!). I'll also send the final draft to the mailing list. >> --Abbas. >> >>> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:03:35 +0300 >>> From: dafriwawira(a)gmail.com >>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association >>> (Semi-final draft) >>> >>> I agree. voting by proxy is the way to go.....especially when the >>> conditions are met. >>> >>> Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>> >Hello. >>> > >>> >I would like to second that -- voting by proxy is indeed a common >>> > practice >>> >in organizations, commercial and non-commercial. It is useful for >>> >organizations which are geographically disparate (as is somewhat the case >>> >with WMKE today, and may be much more the case in years to come!) making >>> > it >>> >difficult for members from regions far from the meeting venue to attend, >>> >thus creating a unintentional bias against their opinions. >>> > >>> >My personal recommendation (I do not speak for the Foundation here) would >>> > be >>> >to allow voting by proxy under the following circumstances: >>> >1. The board should decide a particular item on the next meeting's agenda >>> > is >>> >to allow voting by proxy. >>> >2. The board must make public this decision sufficiently long in advance >>> >(say, at least two weeks before the meeting) >>> >3. Proxy votes must be explicitly sent -- in writing or e-mail -- to both >>> >the proxy agent and the board, with the subject and the vote explicitly >>> >spelt out, e.g. "On the matter of wearing silly hats, I request that my >>> >proxy agent Asaf vote YES on my behalf." -- no later than 1 day before >>> > the >>> >meeting. >>> > >>> >I also second Oliver's two restrictions (quoted below). >>> > >>> >Again, this is just my personal opinion, and you are (of course) free to >>> >reject it in part or in whole. >>> > >>> >(oh, and about 'chairman' -- as Abbas says, 'chairperson' is often used >>> > to >>> >avoid gender bias, as well as simply 'chair' -- which sounds strange to >>> >non-native speakers [certainly sounded very strange to me till I got used >>> > to >>> >it!], but is a little less cumbersome than 'chairperson'.) >>> > >>> > Asaf >>> > >>> >On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Well, I know of several institutions (here in Nairobi even), which >>> >> allow >>> >> members to vote by proxy - however, there are certain restrictions: >>> >> a) a member can only give his/her proxy to another member, >>> >> b) no voting member may hold more than one additional proxy. >>> >> Does that sound like a reasonable compromise? >>> >> Oliver (aka BT) >>> >> >>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake- >>> >> > bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Limoke Oscar >>> >> > Sent: 09 June 2011 12:58 >>> >> > To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. >>> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of >>> >> > Association >>> >> > (Semi-final draft) >>> >> > >>> >> > Grace, >>> >> > > proxy-i don't really know about this but ave never heard of a >>> >> > > company >>> >> > > that doesn't give its members the opportunity to vote by proxy. >>> >> > ...and i have never seen a company that allows a member to send >>> >> > someone tp vote for them...really where does it happen i send say my >>> >> > brother to go vote for say x??or about issue y?which he has no idea >>> >> > of....?makes no sense at all.collecting dividends and staff,yes proxy >>> >> > is accepted but vote??really?? or maybe i don't get the context of >>> >> > "proxy"... >>> >> > >>> >> > Abbas,yes should one be absent on voting days,he/she forfeits his/her >>> >> > vote,that's my thought.... >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > WikimediaKE mailing list >>> >> > WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> WikimediaKE mailing list >>> >> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> > Asaf Bartov >>> > Wikimedia Foundation >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >WikimediaKE mailing list >>> >WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikimediaKE mailing list >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> > > >-- >Limoke Oscar, >mayenge.blogspot.com >Freelancer, >GeoInformatics and GIScience Student > >_______________________________________________ >WikimediaKE mailing list >WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association (Semi-final draft)
by Dafri 15 Jun '11

15 Jun '11

I agree. voting by proxy is the way to go.....especially when the conditions are met. Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >Hello. > >I would like to second that -- voting by proxy is indeed a common practice >in organizations, commercial and non-commercial. It is useful for >organizations which are geographically disparate (as is somewhat the case >with WMKE today, and may be much more the case in years to come!) making it >difficult for members from regions far from the meeting venue to attend, >thus creating a unintentional bias against their opinions. > >My personal recommendation (I do not speak for the Foundation here) would be >to allow voting by proxy under the following circumstances: >1. The board should decide a particular item on the next meeting's agenda is >to allow voting by proxy. >2. The board must make public this decision sufficiently long in advance >(say, at least two weeks before the meeting) >3. Proxy votes must be explicitly sent -- in writing or e-mail -- to both >the proxy agent and the board, with the subject and the vote explicitly >spelt out, e.g. "On the matter of wearing silly hats, I request that my >proxy agent Asaf vote YES on my behalf." -- no later than 1 day before the >meeting. > >I also second Oliver's two restrictions (quoted below). > >Again, this is just my personal opinion, and you are (of course) free to >reject it in part or in whole. > >(oh, and about 'chairman' -- as Abbas says, 'chairperson' is often used to >avoid gender bias, as well as simply 'chair' -- which sounds strange to >non-native speakers [certainly sounded very strange to me till I got used to >it!], but is a little less cumbersome than 'chairperson'.) > > Asaf > >On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org> wrote: > >> Well, I know of several institutions (here in Nairobi even), which allow >> members to vote by proxy - however, there are certain restrictions: >> a) a member can only give his/her proxy to another member, >> b) no voting member may hold more than one additional proxy. >> Does that sound like a reasonable compromise? >> Oliver (aka BT) >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake- >> > bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Limoke Oscar >> > Sent: 09 June 2011 12:58 >> > To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association >> > (Semi-final draft) >> > >> > Grace, >> > > proxy-i don't really know about this but ave never heard of a company >> > > that doesn't give its members the opportunity to vote by proxy. >> > ...and i have never seen a company that allows a member to send >> > someone tp vote for them...really where does it happen i send say my >> > brother to go vote for say x??or about issue y?which he has no idea >> > of....?makes no sense at all.collecting dividends and staff,yes proxy >> > is accepted but vote??really?? or maybe i don't get the context of >> > "proxy"... >> > >> > Abbas,yes should one be absent on voting days,he/she forfeits his/her >> > vote,that's my thought.... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WikimediaKE mailing list >> > WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaKE mailing list >> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> > > > >-- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation > >_______________________________________________ >WikimediaKE mailing list >WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association (Semi-final draft)
by wanjaustev＠gmail.com 15 Jun '11

15 Jun '11

Hi, Yep a meta-wiki is better coz even chapcom shall have an easier task deducting suggestions and even us too. Regards Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Oh, OK. I haven't read the whole document myself, so I'll check it out later on. Do you think we should create a meta page where all the corrections and additions could be noted down; rather than me scrutinizing this thread for everyone's comments. >--Abbas. > >> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 07:22:17 +0300 >> From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association (Semi-final draft) >> >> The appeal am talking about is under membership clause 4 where an >> applicant is given a chance to question in the next AGM why they were >> denied membership after applying for the same. >> >> Regards, >> >> On 6/8/11, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:12:46 +0300 >> >> From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >> >> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org; wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association >> >> (Semi-final draft) >> >> >> >> hello wikimedians, >> >> My suggestions on the draft AOA and MOA. >> >> >> >> *Appeal to be registered. >> >> One year to appeal for registration is quite a long time and I think >> >> we should reduce that to three months unless the reason for denial is >> >> very 'Heavy'. >> >> BTW, What would be the possible grounds to be denied membership?? >> >> Someone enlighten me. >> >> >> >> >> >> *The quorum. >> >> Since the members shall be meeting at least thrice in a year, I >> >> propose we take the quorum to be 11 members or a tenth of all our >> >> members which ever is lower. >> >> ( My reason being that, volunteering in Kenya is quite expensive and >> >> we would not want to strain ourselves as we volunteer and I also >> >> believe and hope that everything discussed shall be availed later to >> >> members) >> >> >> >> Echoing Ann, the board members are also included in the quorum. >> >> >> >> Voting >> >> * I think vote by proxy is not good. If the voter is not present at >> >> the time of voting they should forfeit their vote. >> >> >> >> * Tier breaker vote should not be on the shoulders of the person >> >> leading the voting exercise. This is because as the one over seeing >> >> the election they should remain neutral and the matter would rather be >> >> reffered to the board to decide. I would strongly suggest that the >> >> members vote again. The overseer should be non partisan. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve. >> >> >> >> On 6/7/11, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for soptting that typo! Will correct it asap:) >> >> > >> >> > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:55:43 +0300 >> >> > From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >> >> > To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association >> >> > (Semi-final draft) >> >> > >> >> > hi, >> >> > >> >> > Are we registering as 'WIKIMIDIA KENYA' or 'WIKIMEDIA KENYA' >> >> > >> >> > I think there is some error there in the AOA and MOA. >> >> > >> >> > cheers >> >> > >> >> > stephen w. wanjau >> >> > >> >> > Phone: +254 771 557 857 >> >> > >> >> > twitter:haha_wanjau >> >> > >> >> > B.Sc statistics and computer science. >> >> > >> >> > JKUAT >> >> > >> >> > On Jun 7, 2011 4:42 PM, "Ann Njeri" <njeriannk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> i think both ordinary and board members should be included in the >> >> >> quorum. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ann, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I think basing quorum on the number of people subscribed to the >> >> >>> mailing >> >> > >> >> >>> list is rather vague, since there are a whole bunch of people who've >> >> >>> subscribed but have never posted on this mailing list nor attended any >> >> >>> meetup. Also, should quorum consist of ordinary members only or board >> >> > >> >> >>> members only or a mix of both? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> --Abbas. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ------------------------------ >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:52:32 +0300 >> >> >>> From: njeriannk(a)gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of >> >> >>> Association >> >> >>> (Semi-final draft) >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >> >>> i think the articles look great. Awesome job. i think it is easier to >> >> >>> make >> >> >>> a decision on the quorum if we Abbas can tell us the members we have >> >> >>> currently. Based on my estimation of the members i would think 10 >> >> >>> people >> >> >>> are >> >> > >> >> >>> enough for the quorum. >> >> >>> As for the proxy, i think it would be better to limit them to only >> >> >>> Wikimedia Kenya members. By this i mean that non-members should not be >> >> >>> given >> >> >>> chances to be proxies, only members. >> >> > >> >> >>> Lastly i suggest that from our experience we just write down the >> >> >>> duties >> >> >>> our project managers performed during the pilot plus a few others. >> >> >>> This >> >> >>> includes, writing reports on the project, being accountable for the >> >> >>> money >> >> > >> >> >>> entrusted among other duties. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Abbas Mahmood >> >> >>> <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Greetings, >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I have finally managed to get in touch with the advocate and managed >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> get >> >> >>> a draft of the articles of association. My apologies for the delay. I >> >> >>> have >> >> >>> the following comments regarding the attached document: >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - it is a draft copy, so please have a look at it and feel free to >> >> >>> share your thoughts. If there is something left out, kindly let me >> >> >>> know. If >> >> >>> you need the lawyer to clarify some articles, I will be happy to >> >> >>> schedule a >> >> > >> >> >>> meeting with him so that he can clarify the articles as >> >> >>> appropriate. >> >> >>> - I particularly need your input in: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 1. Quorum. I remember that the first time I had drated these >> >> >>> bylaws, >> >> > >> >> >>> Oliver had raised an issue on quorum. What kind of quorum do you >> >> >>> think >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> sufficient for meetings? >> >> >>> 2. Proxy. The lawyer has attached a proxy sample in the articles. >> >> >>> Please do tell me if you find it necessary for us to leave it >> >> >>> there. >> >> > >> >> >>> 3. The duties of the project manager. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Looking forward to getting your feedback. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> Abbas. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ps - the next phase after us agreeing on this document is to resubmit >> >> >>> it >> >> >>> to >> >> > >> >> >>> the Chapters Committee for approval. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> WikimediaKE mailing list >> >> >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > >> >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing >> >> >>> list >> >> > >> >> >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> WikimediaKE mailing list >> >> >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > WikimediaKE mailing list >> >> > WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mr. Stephen W. Wanjau >> >> Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology >> >> Freelance article writer and data entry specialist. >> >> Phone: +254 771 557 857 >> >> twitter: @haha_wanjau >> >> facebook: www.facebook.com/.swanjau >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WebRep >> >> Overall rating >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WikimediaKE mailing list >> >> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >> > >> >> >> -- >> Mr. Stephen W. Wanjau >> Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology >> Freelance article writer and data entry specialist. >> Phone: +254 771 557 857 >> twitter: @haha_wanjau >> facebook: www.facebook.com/.swanjau >> >> >> >> >> WebRep >> Overall rating >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaKE mailing list >> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake > >_______________________________________________ >WikimediaKE mailing list >WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake

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[Wikimedia Kenya] WordCamp Kenya 2011
by David Mugo 14 Jun '11

14 Jun '11

Guys, Am glad to announce that a WordCamp in Kenya has been approved, please see http://2011.kenya.wordcamp.org/ for details. Am calling anyone interested in being part of this as a participant, speaker or just attendant, please fillout this form: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGY4Q1d4ZWZsOW… -- ------------- David Mugo, ICT & E-Commerce Consultant, http://majibu.com Twitter: @raidarmax

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association (Semi-final draft)
by Alex Wafula 08 Jun '11

08 Jun '11

Yes please, a meta. Alex. On Tue Jun 7th, 2011 11:08 PM PDT wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote: >Hi, >Yep a meta-wiki is better coz even chapcom shall have an easier task deducting suggestions and even us too. > >Regards > > >Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>Oh, OK. I haven't read the whole document myself, so I'll check it out later on. Do you think we should create a meta page where all the corrections and additions could be noted down; rather than me scrutinizing this thread for everyone's comments. >>--Abbas. >> >>> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 07:22:17 +0300 >>> From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association (Semi-final draft) >>> >>> The appeal am talking about is under membership clause 4 where an >>> applicant is given a chance to question in the next AGM why they were >>> denied membership after applying for the same. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> On 6/8/11, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 00:12:46 +0300 >>> >> From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >>> >> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org; wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association >>> >> (Semi-final draft) >>> >> >>> >> hello wikimedians, >>> >> My suggestions on the draft AOA and MOA. >>> >> >>> >> *Appeal to be registered. >>> >> One year to appeal for registration is quite a long time and I think >>> >> we should reduce that to three months unless the reason for denial is >>> >> very 'Heavy'. >>> >> BTW, What would be the possible grounds to be denied membership?? >>> >> Someone enlighten me. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *The quorum. >>> >> Since the members shall be meeting at least thrice in a year, I >>> >> propose we take the quorum to be 11 members or a tenth of all our >>> >> members which ever is lower. >>> >> ( My reason being that, volunteering in Kenya is quite expensive and >>> >> we would not want to strain ourselves as we volunteer and I also >>> >> believe and hope that everything discussed shall be availed later to >>> >> members) >>> >> >>> >> Echoing Ann, the board members are also included in the quorum. >>> >> >>> >> Voting >>> >> * I think vote by proxy is not good. If the voter is not present at >>> >> the time of voting they should forfeit their vote. >>> >> >>> >> * Tier breaker vote should not be on the shoulders of the person >>> >> leading the voting exercise. This is because as the one over seeing >>> >> the election they should remain neutral and the matter would rather be >>> >> reffered to the board to decide. I would strongly suggest that the >>> >> members vote again. The overseer should be non partisan. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Steve. >>> >> >>> >> On 6/7/11, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> > Thanks for soptting that typo! Will correct it asap:) >>> >> > >>> >> > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:55:43 +0300 >>> >> > From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com >>> >> > To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of Association >>> >> > (Semi-final draft) >>> >> > >>> >> > hi, >>> >> > >>> >> > Are we registering as 'WIKIMIDIA KENYA' or 'WIKIMEDIA KENYA' >>> >> > >>> >> > I think there is some error there in the AOA and MOA. >>> >> > >>> >> > cheers >>> >> > >>> >> > stephen w. wanjau >>> >> > >>> >> > Phone: +254 771 557 857 >>> >> > >>> >> > twitter:haha_wanjau >>> >> > >>> >> > B.Sc statistics and computer science. >>> >> > >>> >> > JKUAT >>> >> > >>> >> > On Jun 7, 2011 4:42 PM, "Ann Njeri" <njeriannk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >> Hi, >>> >> >> i think both ordinary and board members should be included in the >>> >> >> quorum. >>> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> Ann, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I think basing quorum on the number of people subscribed to the >>> >> >>> mailing >>> >> > >>> >> >>> list is rather vague, since there are a whole bunch of people who've >>> >> >>> subscribed but have never posted on this mailing list nor attended any >>> >> >>> meetup. Also, should quorum consist of ordinary members only or board >>> >> > >>> >> >>> members only or a mix of both? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> --Abbas. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >> >>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:52:32 +0300 >>> >> >>> From: njeriannk(a)gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WMKE Articles & Memorandum of >>> >> >>> Association >>> >> >>> (Semi-final draft) >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Hi, >>> >> >>> i think the articles look great. Awesome job. i think it is easier to >>> >> >>> make >>> >> >>> a decision on the quorum if we Abbas can tell us the members we have >>> >> >>> currently. Based on my estimation of the members i would think 10 >>> >> >>> people >>> >> >>> are >>> >> > >>> >> >>> enough for the quorum. >>> >> >>> As for the proxy, i think it would be better to limit them to only >>> >> >>> Wikimedia Kenya members. By this i mean that non-members should not be >>> >> >>> given >>> >> >>> chances to be proxies, only members. >>> >> > >>> >> >>> Lastly i suggest that from our experience we just write down the >>> >> >>> duties >>> >> >>> our project managers performed during the pilot plus a few others. >>> >> >>> This >>> >> >>> includes, writing reports on the project, being accountable for the >>> >> >>> money >>> >> > >>> >> >>> entrusted among other duties. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Abbas Mahmood >>> >> >>> <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Greetings, >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I have finally managed to get in touch with the advocate and managed >>> >> >>> to >>> >> >>> get >>> >> >>> a draft of the articles of association. My apologies for the delay. I >>> >> >>> have >>> >> >>> the following comments regarding the attached document: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> - it is a draft copy, so please have a look at it and feel free to >>> >> >>> share your thoughts. If there is something left out, kindly let me >>> >> >>> know. If >>> >> >>> you need the lawyer to clarify some articles, I will be happy to >>> >> >>> schedule a >>> >> > >>> >> >>> meeting with him so that he can clarify the articles as >>> >> >>> appropriate. >>> >> >>> - I particularly need your input in: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 1. Quorum. I remember that the first time I had drated these >>> >> >>> bylaws, >>> >> > >>> >> >>> Oliver had raised an issue on quorum. What kind of quorum do you >>> >> >>> think >>> >> >>> is >>> >> >>> sufficient for meetings? >>> >> >>> 2. Proxy. The lawyer has attached a proxy sample in the articles. >>> >> >>> Please do tell me if you find it necessary for us to leave it >>> >> >>> there. >>> >> > >>> >> >>> 3. The duties of the project manager. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Looking forward to getting your feedback. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >>> >> >>> Abbas. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ps - the next phase after us agreeing on this document is to resubmit >>> >> >>> it >>> >> >>> to >>> >> > >>> >> >>> the Chapters Committee for approval. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> WikimediaKE mailing list >>> >> >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> > >>> >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing >>> >> >>> list >>> >> > >>> >> >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> WikimediaKE mailing list >>> >> >>> WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > WikimediaKE mailing list >>> >> > WikimediaKE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Mr. Stephen W. 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