Can our user group support this initiative? Does it make sense to ask the FCC to enforce something they don't like? Would a full legislative approach make more sense? Or maybe Wyden knows what he's talking about - he's good!....
--Neal
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Meyer peter.meyer@wikidc.org Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:35 PM Subject: Fwd: Continuing the U.S. Net Neutrality conversation To: nealmcb@gmail.com
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*From:* Stephen LaPorte slaporte@wikimedia.org *Date:* April 21, 2018 at 17:26:15 GMT+2 *To:* Alice Backer alice.backer@gmail.com, Rob Fernandez < wikigamaliel@gmail.com>, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com, Andrew Lih < andrew.lih@gmail.com>, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org, Megan Wacha < megan.wacha@gmail.com>, Eileen Hershenov ehershenov@wikimedia.org, Joshua Weinberg jweinberg@wikimedia.org, Peter Meyer peter.meyer@wikidc.org, Kevin Payravi kevinpayravi@gmail.com, Chuck Roslof croslof@wikimedia.org, dalesio.3@buckeyemail.osu.edu, Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org *Subject:* *Continuing the U.S. Net Neutrality conversation*
Hi folks,
Great conversation today about Net Neutrality in the United States, and the importance for Wikimedia.
A few action items we discussed:
- *To do*: Talk with other US Wikimedia organizations to get their opinion on a Wikipedia banner (or blackout) support Net Neutrality. - Rob is putting together a list of US Wikimedia groups for conversations—Can you share the link? - *To do*: Share some resources on Wikimedia's position on Net Neutrality and the timeline. Please see below for some documents from the Foundation. - *To do*: Decide how (and if) to present the position of the US Wikimedia organizations for community consensus on a banner or other community action. You can see the previous discussion from last year here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_143#Wikipedia_and_the_Dec._12th_%E2%80%9CBreak_The_Internet%E2%80%9D_day_of_action_for_net_neutrality . - *To do*: Decide if you want to meet with Senator Wyden, to share what the Wikimedia community is doing, and also to start building a relationship and asking for other support for Wikimedia (great suggestion from Josh). If you don't want to, or if you don't think it's feasible to meet this short timeline, "no" is also fine.
Some resources from the Foundation:
- More information here https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/27/senator-markey-officially-introduces-legislation-to-reestablish-net-neutrality/ (more detail here https://doyle.house.gov/press-release/doyle-markey-introduce-bill-preserve-net-neutrality) is available on the pending resolution to CRA resolution. The resolution may need a Senate vote *before the end of May*, so if the Wikimedia community plans to take action, a decision is likely necessary within the next two weeks. - In August 2017, the Foundation to the FCC (here https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10830645308265/Wikimedia%20Foundation%20comments%20on%20%E2%80%9CRestoring%20Internet%20Freedom%E2%80%9D%20(WC%20Docket%2017-108).pdf) commenting on its proposal to deregulate ISPs and urging it not to roll back the net neutrality rules that had been in place since 2015. - In December 2017, the Foundation published a blog post (here https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/12/04/net-neutrality-access-to-knowledge/) in which we explain that the ability to freely connect and find information online is important for access to knowledge and online collaboration. We urged the FCC again not to roll back the net neutrality rules.
I took a few notes during the meeting on great suggestions:
- There was general interest in the room for a banner of some sort, but it may be worth proposing other bolder options too. - It's useful to have a clear statement about how an issue like Net Neutrality affects the Wikimedia community. Keep it simple. Have good talking points. - Consider how to appeal to Spanish-speaking populations in the United States. If the community supports a banner geolocated to the US, should it include both Spanish and English Wikipedia? - Color of Change has a good explanation of Net Neutrality as an equity issue. (If someone can find or share that link with the group, it would be helpful.) - If you want to work with (or just talk to) any activist organizations, please reach out to Jan and me, and we'd be happy to make introductions. - It's good to have a list of other high priority issues that US Wikimedians want to discuss in DC (the Librarian of Congress and Copyright, defending CDA 230, and more).
Please share this email with other Wikimedians for coordination, or move it into Rob's Google Doc if that is easier. Also please feel free to share your notes from the meeting or any other ideas.
Thanks for sharing all your ideas this afternoon. I'm looking forward to hearing what you decide.
Best, Stephen
I think we're a little behind the 8-ball there. If we're going to protest anything, it should be FOSTA/SESTA. There should never be a reason for a web provider to be liable for the acts of its users.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/29/sexual-freedom-fosta-s...
Net neutrality is important too, but the integrity of Section 230 is absolutely crucial.
Todd
On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Neal McBurnett nealmcb@gmail.com wrote:
Can our user group support this initiative? Does it make sense to ask the FCC to enforce something they don't like? Would a full legislative approach make more sense? Or maybe Wyden knows what he's talking about - he's good!....
--Neal
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Meyer peter.meyer@wikidc.org Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:35 PM Subject: Fwd: Continuing the U.S. Net Neutrality conversation To: nealmcb@gmail.com
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Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Stephen LaPorte slaporte@wikimedia.org *Date:* April 21, 2018 at 17:26:15 GMT+2 *To:* Alice Backer alice.backer@gmail.com, Rob Fernandez < wikigamaliel@gmail.com>, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com, Andrew Lih < andrew.lih@gmail.com>, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org, Megan Wacha megan.wacha@gmail.com, Eileen Hershenov ehershenov@wikimedia.org, Joshua Weinberg jweinberg@wikimedia.org, Peter Meyer < peter.meyer@wikidc.org>, Kevin Payravi kevinpayravi@gmail.com, Chuck Roslof croslof@wikimedia.org, dalesio.3@buckeyemail.osu.edu, Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org *Subject:* *Continuing the U.S. Net Neutrality conversation*
Hi folks,
Great conversation today about Net Neutrality in the United States, and the importance for Wikimedia.
A few action items we discussed:
- *To do*: Talk with other US Wikimedia organizations to get their
opinion on a Wikipedia banner (or blackout) support Net Neutrality. - Rob is putting together a list of US Wikimedia groups for conversations—Can you share the link?
- *To do*: Share some resources on Wikimedia's position on Net
Neutrality and the timeline. Please see below for some documents from the Foundation.
- *To do*: Decide how (and if) to present the position of the US
Wikimedia organizations for community consensus on a banner or other community action. You can see the previous discussion from last year here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_143#Wikipedia_and_the_Dec._12th_%E2%80%9CBreak_The_Internet%E2%80%9D_day_of_action_for_net_neutrality .
- *To do*: Decide if you want to meet with Senator Wyden, to share
what the Wikimedia community is doing, and also to start building a relationship and asking for other support for Wikimedia (great suggestion from Josh). If you don't want to, or if you don't think it's feasible to meet this short timeline, "no" is also fine.
Some resources from the Foundation:
- More information here
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/27/senator-markey-officially-introduces-legislation-to-reestablish-net-neutrality/ (more detail here https://doyle.house.gov/press-release/doyle-markey-introduce-bill-preserve-net-neutrality) is available on the pending resolution to CRA resolution. The resolution may need a Senate vote *before the end of May*, so if the Wikimedia community plans to take action, a decision is likely necessary within the next two weeks.
- In August 2017, the Foundation to the FCC (here
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10830645308265/Wikimedia%20Foundation%20comments%20on%20%E2%80%9CRestoring%20Internet%20Freedom%E2%80%9D%20(WC%20Docket%2017-108).pdf) commenting on its proposal to deregulate ISPs and urging it not to roll back the net neutrality rules that had been in place since 2015.
- In December 2017, the Foundation published a blog post (here
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/12/04/net-neutrality-access-to-knowledge/) in which we explain that the ability to freely connect and find information online is important for access to knowledge and online collaboration. We urged the FCC again not to roll back the net neutrality rules.
I took a few notes during the meeting on great suggestions:
- There was general interest in the room for a banner of some sort,
but it may be worth proposing other bolder options too.
- It's useful to have a clear statement about how an issue like Net
Neutrality affects the Wikimedia community. Keep it simple. Have good talking points.
- Consider how to appeal to Spanish-speaking populations in the United
States. If the community supports a banner geolocated to the US, should it include both Spanish and English Wikipedia?
- Color of Change has a good explanation of Net Neutrality as an
equity issue. (If someone can find or share that link with the group, it would be helpful.)
- If you want to work with (or just talk to) any activist
organizations, please reach out to Jan and me, and we'd be happy to make introductions.
- It's good to have a list of other high priority issues that US
Wikimedians want to discuss in DC (the Librarian of Congress and Copyright, defending CDA 230, and more).
Please share this email with other Wikimedians for coordination, or move it into Rob's Google Doc if that is easier. Also please feel free to share your notes from the meeting or any other ideas.
Thanks for sharing all your ideas this afternoon. I'm looking forward to hearing what you decide.
Best, Stephen
-- Stephen LaPorte Legal Director Wikimedia Foundation
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How are we doing in the Senate? https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8eb9hc/net_neutrality_is_offici...
Best regards, Jim
On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Neal McBurnett nealmcb@gmail.com wrote:
Can our user group support this initiative? Does it make sense to ask the FCC to enforce something they don't like? Would a full legislative approach make more sense? Or maybe Wyden knows what he's talking about - he's good!....
--Neal
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Meyer peter.meyer@wikidc.org Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:35 PM Subject: Fwd: Continuing the U.S. Net Neutrality conversation To: nealmcb@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Stephen LaPorte slaporte@wikimedia.org Date: April 21, 2018 at 17:26:15 GMT+2 To: Alice Backer alice.backer@gmail.com, Rob Fernandez wikigamaliel@gmail.com, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org, Megan Wacha megan.wacha@gmail.com, Eileen Hershenov ehershenov@wikimedia.org, Joshua Weinberg jweinberg@wikimedia.org, Peter Meyer peter.meyer@wikidc.org, Kevin Payravi kevinpayravi@gmail.com, Chuck Roslof croslof@wikimedia.org, dalesio.3@buckeyemail.osu.edu, Jan Gerlach jgerlach@wikimedia.org Subject: Continuing the U.S. Net Neutrality conversation
Hi folks,
Great conversation today about Net Neutrality in the United States, and the importance for Wikimedia.
A few action items we discussed:
To do: Talk with other US Wikimedia organizations to get their opinion on a Wikipedia banner (or blackout) support Net Neutrality.
Rob is putting together a list of US Wikimedia groups for conversations—Can you share the link?
To do: Share some resources on Wikimedia's position on Net Neutrality and the timeline. Please see below for some documents from the Foundation. To do: Decide how (and if) to present the position of the US Wikimedia organizations for community consensus on a banner or other community action. You can see the previous discussion from last year here. To do: Decide if you want to meet with Senator Wyden, to share what the Wikimedia community is doing, and also to start building a relationship and asking for other support for Wikimedia (great suggestion from Josh). If you don't want to, or if you don't think it's feasible to meet this short timeline, "no" is also fine.
Some resources from the Foundation:
More information here (more detail here) is available on the pending resolution to CRA resolution. The resolution may need a Senate vote before the end of May, so if the Wikimedia community plans to take action, a decision is likely necessary within the next two weeks. In August 2017, the Foundation to the FCC (here) commenting on its proposal to deregulate ISPs and urging it not to roll back the net neutrality rules that had been in place since 2015. In December 2017, the Foundation published a blog post (here) in which we explain that the ability to freely connect and find information online is important for access to knowledge and online collaboration. We urged the FCC again not to roll back the net neutrality rules.
I took a few notes during the meeting on great suggestions:
There was general interest in the room for a banner of some sort, but it may be worth proposing other bolder options too. It's useful to have a clear statement about how an issue like Net Neutrality affects the Wikimedia community. Keep it simple. Have good talking points. Consider how to appeal to Spanish-speaking populations in the United States. If the community supports a banner geolocated to the US, should it include both Spanish and English Wikipedia? Color of Change has a good explanation of Net Neutrality as an equity issue. (If someone can find or share that link with the group, it would be helpful.) If you want to work with (or just talk to) any activist organizations, please reach out to Jan and me, and we'd be happy to make introductions. It's good to have a list of other high priority issues that US Wikimedians want to discuss in DC (the Librarian of Congress and Copyright, defending CDA 230, and more).
Please share this email with other Wikimedians for coordination, or move it into Rob's Google Doc if that is easier. Also please feel free to share your notes from the meeting or any other ideas.
Thanks for sharing all your ideas this afternoon. I'm looking forward to hearing what you decide.
Best, Stephen
-- Stephen LaPorte Legal Director Wikimedia Foundation
NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal and ethical reasons, I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer.
-- Neal McBurnett http://neal.mcburnett.org/
Wikimedia-US-CO mailing list Wikimedia-US-CO@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-us-co
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