There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity Cheers, P *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine

Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from? Cheers, Peter *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response. Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones &lt;seanj(a)losmasos.com&gt; wrote: There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity Cheers, P *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine

Hi James, How have “we got that under control”? Do you speak as a board member or as a member of WP:MED? Cheers, Peter *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *James Heilman *Sent:* Thursday, 21 September 2017 9:58 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy IMO we there are more serious issues we need to deal with such as covert marketing on Wikipedia by the heads of marketing at pharmaceutical and device manufacturers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_ Medicine#IMO_we_are_losing_Wikipedia_to_undisclosed_paid_editors With respect to these sorts of petitions by homoeopathy, we got that under control. James On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net&gt; wrote: Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from? Cheers, Peter *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response. Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones &lt;seanj(a)losmasos.com&gt; wrote: There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity Cheers, P *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. [image: Image removed by sender.] <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine

There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto: wikimedia-medicine-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity Cheers, P *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto: wikimedia-medicine-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopa… Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine

Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity Cheers, P *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine

The so-called petition is a nonsense. The so-called discussion "raised" around this subject is pointless. Read the Wikipedia politics. Period. Regards, Cristian On 20 Sep 2017 11:55 am, "Diptanshu Das" &lt;das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread? Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones &lt;seanj(a)losmasos.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine

Whether “Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach” is a matter of your personal opinion and others might not agree with the writer’s attempt to define what consists of science and what consists of pseudoscience. Just words. To say “the common man is relatively ignorant” also betrays arrogance on the part of the writer. I always consider myself a common man, does this make me relatively ignorant? No, it makes you relatively ignorant. Thanks very much. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* 20 September 2017 11:23 *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I have posted an comment at https://www.change.org/p/ wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopathy/c/694128613 An update has been posted in a parallel thread. However, we need to know that we might be aware of the Wikipedia issues but the 'common man' is relatively ignorant. Irrespective of whether this man is taking sense, this petition has garnered 4000 signatures and evidently those supporters too are oblivious of how to edit Wikipedia. This increases our responsibility. Just bear that in mind. Pseudoscience is not about whether it works or not, it is about a scientific approach to gathering evidences which may or may not suggest that 'it works'. Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach. The supporters of this petition are therefore likely to be unaware of the scientific approach. Like on Wikipedia, the onus of change lies on us. Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. On 20 September 2017 at 14:45, Cristian PSG &lt;cristianpsg13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: The so-called petition is a nonsense. The so-called discussion "raised" around this subject is pointless. Read the Wikipedia politics. Period. Regards, Cristian On 20 Sep 2017 11:55 am, "Diptanshu Das" &lt;das.diptanshu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread? Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones &lt;seanj(a)losmasos.com&gt; wrote: Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist. *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity Cheers, P *From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy Regards Diptanshu Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-Medicine mailing list Wikimedia-Medicine(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-medicine