I would like to bring your attention to the petition https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards Diptanshu
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Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
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From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard Subject: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
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There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Southwood Sent: 20 September 2017 00:11 To: 'Wiki Medicine discussion' Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard Subject: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
Diptanshu
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Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response.
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On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy
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Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response.
Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Southwood Sent: 20 September 2017 00:11 To: 'Wiki Medicine discussion' Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard Subject: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
Diptanshu
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IMO we there are more serious issues we need to deal with such as covert marketing on Wikipedia by the heads of marketing at pharmaceutical and device manufacturers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#IMO_we_are...
With respect to these sorts of petitions by homoeopathy, we got that under control.
James
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from?
Cheers,
Peter
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response.
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On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy
Regards
Diptanshu
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Hi James,
How have “we got that under control”? Do you speak as a board member or as a member of WP:MED?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Heilman Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 9:58 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
IMO we there are more serious issues we need to deal with such as covert marketing on Wikipedia by the heads of marketing at pharmaceutical and device manufacturers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#IMO_we_are...
With respect to these sorts of petitions by homoeopathy, we got that under control.
James
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response.
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On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Southwood Sent: 20 September 2017 00:11 To: 'Wiki Medicine discussion' Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard Subject: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
Diptanshu
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You mean how do we have homeopathy under control?
Our coverage of homeopathy is fairly balanced. The articles in question are typically watched by lots of people including QuackGuru. I am not concerned especially.
I am not speaking as a board member in any capacity, I am speaking as a Wikipedian.
James
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Hi James,
How have “we got that under control”? Do you speak as a board member or as a member of WP:MED?
Cheers,
Peter
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *James Heilman *Sent:* Thursday, 21 September 2017 9:58 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
IMO we there are more serious issues we need to deal with such as covert marketing on Wikipedia by the heads of marketing at pharmaceutical and device manufacturers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_ Medicine#IMO_we_are_losing_Wikipedia_to_undisclosed_paid_editors
With respect to these sorts of petitions by homoeopathy, we got that under control.
James
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from?
Cheers,
Peter
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response.
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On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy
Regards
Diptanshu
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Cool, no problem there, I just thought that that should be clarified .
Cheers,
P
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Heilman Sent: Friday, 22 September 2017 12:51 AM To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
You mean how do we have homeopathy under control?
Our coverage of homeopathy is fairly balanced. The articles in question are typically watched by lots of people including QuackGuru. I am not concerned especially.
I am not speaking as a board member in any capacity, I am speaking as a Wikipedian.
James
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Hi James,
How have “we got that under control”? Do you speak as a board member or as a member of WP:MED?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Heilman Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 9:58 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
IMO we there are more serious issues we need to deal with such as covert marketing on Wikipedia by the heads of marketing at pharmaceutical and device manufacturers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#IMO_we_are...
With respect to these sorts of petitions by homoeopathy, we got that under control.
James
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Is there an appropriate official response, and if so, who could it come from?
Cheers,
Peter
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2017 8:47 AM To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Although I had highlighted the issue to you all, I myself am aware of how to edit Wikipedia and the norms relating to the same. However, the petitioner is possibly unaware of how Wikipedia works. I just thought perhaps somebody would like to send an 'official' response.
Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
On 20 September 2017 at 10:13, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Southwood Sent: 20 September 2017 00:11 To: 'Wiki Medicine discussion' Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard Subject: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
Diptanshu
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I strongly agree with Sean. If we have any concern about the contents, please do edit and correct it. Thats the best thing that we can do. Please don't blame on wiki. Wiki is the most reliable source of informations in our daily life. It's our responsibility to correct, especially subjects related to our field.
Hope you will consider..
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:43 Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
There is no need for any petition. Just go into “edit” and re-write Wikipedia as you wish, quoting and citing reliable and authentic published sources to substantiate your case. Then people can investigate and make up their own minds. If your argument is good, they will agree with your presentation.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto: wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto: wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
Diptanshu
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Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Southwood Sent: 20 September 2017 00:11 To: 'Wiki Medicine discussion' Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM To: Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard Subject: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
Regards
Diptanshu
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I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread?
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On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy
Regards
Diptanshu
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The so-called petition is a nonsense. The so-called discussion "raised" around this subject is pointless. Read the Wikipedia politics. Period.
Regards, Cristian
On 20 Sep 2017 11:55 am, "Diptanshu Das" das.diptanshu@gmail.com wrote:
I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread?
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On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bou nces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bou nces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s- article-on-homoeopathy
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Diptanshu
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I have posted an comment at https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
An update has been posted in a parallel thread. However, we need to know that we might be aware of the Wikipedia issues but the 'common man' is relatively ignorant. Irrespective of whether this man is taking sense, this petition has garnered 4000 signatures and evidently those supporters too are oblivious of how to edit Wikipedia. This increases our responsibility.
Just bear that in mind.
Pseudoscience is not about whether it works or not, it is about a scientific approach to gathering evidences which may or may not suggest that 'it works'. Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach. The supporters of this petition are therefore likely to be unaware of the scientific approach. Like on Wikipedia, the onus of change lies on us.
Regards Diptanshu
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On 20 September 2017 at 14:45, Cristian PSG cristianpsg13@gmail.com wrote:
The so-called petition is a nonsense. The so-called discussion "raised" around this subject is pointless. Read the Wikipedia politics. Period.
Regards, Cristian
On 20 Sep 2017 11:55 am, "Diptanshu Das" das.diptanshu@gmail.com wrote:
I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread?
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On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bou nces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bou nces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-arti cle-on-homoeopathy
Regards
Diptanshu
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Whether “Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach” is a matter of your personal opinion and others might not agree with the writer’s attempt to define what consists of science and what consists of pseudoscience. Just words. To say “the common man is relatively ignorant” also betrays arrogance on the part of the writer. I always consider myself a common man, does this make me relatively ignorant? No, it makes you relatively ignorant. Thanks very much.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Diptanshu Das Sent: 20 September 2017 11:23 To: Wiki Medicine discussion Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I have posted an comment at https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
An update has been posted in a parallel thread. However, we need to know that we might be aware of the Wikipedia issues but the 'common man' is relatively ignorant. Irrespective of whether this man is taking sense, this petition has garnered 4000 signatures and evidently those supporters too are oblivious of how to edit Wikipedia. This increases our responsibility.
Just bear that in mind.
Pseudoscience is not about whether it works or not, it is about a scientific approach to gathering evidences which may or may not suggest that 'it works'. Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach. The supporters of this petition are therefore likely to be unaware of the scientific approach. Like on Wikipedia, the onus of change lies on us.
Regards
Diptanshu
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On 20 September 2017 at 14:45, Cristian PSG cristianpsg13@gmail.com wrote:
The so-called petition is a nonsense. The so-called discussion "raised" around this subject is pointless. Read the Wikipedia politics. Period.
Regards,
Cristian
On 20 Sep 2017 11:55 am, "Diptanshu Das" das.diptanshu@gmail.com wrote:
I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread?
Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist.
From: Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Peter Southwood Sent: 20 September 2017 00:11 To: 'Wiki Medicine discussion' Subject: Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
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I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopat...
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Diptanshu
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I wonder why so much aggression here?
Diptanshu has a point - even if "ignorant" is perhaps not the best word, the majority of internet users are, in all probability, unaware of Wikipedia policies and editing traditions. Moreover, we all know perfectly well that as IP users, they have virtually nil chances that they edits, whatever they were, to controversial articles would not be instantly reverted by one or other warring party. The very fact that such petitions are made and garner support shows that we *do* face at the very least a communication problem with regards to editing.
As to whether homeopathy is a quack science or not, it is not for us Wikipedians to decide - we only have a duty to faithfully and proportionately present all the major points of view, appropriately sourced, in a way as impartial as it gets.
Best,
On 20 September 2017 at 10:49, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
Whether “Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach” is a matter of your personal opinion and others might not agree with the writer’s attempt to define what consists of science and what consists of pseudoscience. Just words. To say “the common man is relatively ignorant” also betrays arrogance on the part of the writer. I always consider myself a common man, does this make me relatively ignorant? No, it makes you relatively ignorant. Thanks very much.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* 20 September 2017 11:23
*To:* Wiki Medicine discussion *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I have posted an comment at https://www.change.org/p/ wikipedia-changing-wikipedia-s-article-on-homoeopathy/c/694128613
An update has been posted in a parallel thread. However, we need to know that we might be aware of the Wikipedia issues but the 'common man' is relatively ignorant. Irrespective of whether this man is taking sense, this petition has garnered 4000 signatures and evidently those supporters too are oblivious of how to edit Wikipedia. This increases our responsibility.
Just bear that in mind.
Pseudoscience is not about whether it works or not, it is about a scientific approach to gathering evidences which may or may not suggest that 'it works'. Homeopathy lacks such a scientific approach. The supporters of this petition are therefore likely to be unaware of the scientific approach. Like on Wikipedia, the onus of change lies on us.
Regards
Diptanshu
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On 20 September 2017 at 14:45, Cristian PSG cristianpsg13@gmail.com wrote:
The so-called petition is a nonsense. The so-called discussion "raised" around this subject is pointless. Read the Wikipedia politics. Period.
Regards,
Cristian
On 20 Sep 2017 11:55 am, "Diptanshu Das" das.diptanshu@gmail.com wrote:
I am not the petitioner. The petitioner is not present in is group and therefore cannot read the discussions here. The petitioner possibly does not even know how to read or participate in discussions related to pages or topics. It is futile to discuss among ourselves. Would somebody like to reach out to the petitioner with the information contained in this discussion thread?
Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.
On 20 September 2017 at 13:48, Sean Jones seanj@losmasos.com wrote:
Ha ha. The issue is not having a petition to force anyone to do anything, but presenting our views on Wikipedia to counter the views of homeopathy’s critics. It is an open source of debate. If you have an issue about the law of gravity you are welcome to compose an article on it and post it to Wikipedia. I am sure there is someone who has posted an article about Flat-earthers already, either for or against. All ideas are welcome – it is an encyclopedia written for the people by the people, and hopefully written by people who know what they are talking about on their particular subject. All views are welcome, provided that they are cited from reliable and authentic published sources. So those who want to challenge what they consider the wrong views of those who have posted their persona (or official) views denigrating Homeopathy are now required to simply log in to Wikipedia and present their refutation of those wrong views, based on irrefutable citations from published sources. That’s all you need to do, so just get on with it instead of mumbling amongst yourselves about how unfair it is and organising a petition to an authority that does not exist.
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Southwood *Sent:* 20 September 2017 00:11 *To:* 'Wiki Medicine discussion' *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
Maybe next they will have a petition to repeal the law of gravity
Cheers,
P
*From:* Wikimedia-Medicine [mailto:wikimedia-medicine- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Diptanshu Das *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 September 2017 7:16 PM *To:* Wiki Medicine discussion; wjmboard *Subject:* [Wiki-Medicine] Petition pertaining to the Wikipedia article on Homeopathy
I would like to bring your attention to the petition
https://www.change.org/p/wikipedia-changing-wikipedia- s-article-on-homoeopathy
Regards
Diptanshu
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