I think that we DEFINITELY need to join the discussion and counter any invalid claims that might tend to ignorantly prove conclude that WikiJournals cannot act as reliable source. The peer review process and stringent quality control norms are in place to ensure that the published matter is citable and reliable. While we are open to ideas for improvisation, we need to emphasise on the integrity of the process already in place.
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On 18 June 2018 at 22:42, Palermo, Edmund Francis palere@rpi.edu wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to take the opposing viewpoint. That is, the purpose of our peer review process is to ensure that the articles are indeed a reliable source of information. If the articles we publish are not reliable, they why are we publishing them at all?
Best, Ed
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*From:* wjsboard@googlegroups.com [wjsboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Andrew Leung [andrewcleung@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2018 12:53 PM *To:* WikiJournal participants; Mikael Häggström *Cc:* wjmboard; WJH board; WJS board
*Subject:* Re: [WikiJournal-en] WikiJournal as a reference in Wikipedia
Or use the ultimate trump card: IAR (ignore all rules if it prevents you from improving Wikipedia)
Andrew
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-------- Original message -------- From: Ian Alexander iany@scenarioplus.org.uk Date: 2018-06-18 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Mikael Häggström <editor.in.chief@wikijmed.org Cc: "WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity)" <wikijournal-en@lists. wikimedia.org>, wjmboard wjmboard@googlegroups.com, WJH board < wjhboard@googlegroups.com>, WJS board wjsboard@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [WikiJournal-en] WikiJournal as a reference in Wikipedia
Mikael, colleagues
The discussion seems clearly against accepting WJ as a 'reliable source' at the moment. It is unclear to me whether joining the discussion to argue about reviewers' anonymity and the academic status of the board would improve matters.
I have 3 observations:
- We may hope that in a few years' time, WJ has enough reputation that
Wikipedia will be willing to treat it as a reliable journal.
- We are free to cut-and-paste to Wikipedia any WJ material which is
sufficiently well cited to reliable sources, which would include peer-reviewed papers already published elsewhere by WJ authors. I note that mathematics articles seem to require fewer citations both on Wikipedia and in WJScience.
- We could, I think, use material on WJ that isn't covered by citations
in the same way as material on a known scientist's blog: Wikipedia allows 'blog' postings to be cited provided it can be shown that the person posting it is a recognised authority. ( http://UrlBlockedError.aspxhttps://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources#User-generated_content "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.") Mikael might or might not wish to try to confirm that on the discussion group.
Ian
Hi all,
WikiJournal content can be used in Wikipedia as per
Editorial_guidelines#Wikipedia_inclusion
Editorial_guidelines#Wikipedia_inclusion>,
such as reviews based on other reliable sources.
There is currently an online discussion whether content from WikiJournal
of
Science can be a reliable source in Wikipedia, which would allow original research from WikiJournal to be added to Wikipedia as well. I'd
appreciate
additional input to this:
Noticeboard#Reliability_of_WikiJournal_of_Science
If the consensus is to deny this usage in Wikipedia, we could either
settle
for adding only content such as material from reviews, as well as images. Alternatively, we could make a better case by not allowing peer reviewers to process articles anonymously, and thereby base reliability on their credentials, in addition to the judgement of the boards. But first we'll see how this discussion goes.
Best regards,
Mikael
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