the number of german (from germany, not german language) internet users might closer to 40 mio, than 50 mio, according to a study by the sinus institute in heidelberg, paid by the german institute for trust and security in the internet (divsi).
the study says that 40% of germans above 14 are "digital outsiders", they live without internet. 20% are "digital immigrants", they use the internet only for purposes where they have an immediate advantage, like book a travel. otherwise they have some reservations. 40% are "digital natives".
suppose these percentages are correct, we can use the age pyramid to find that 70 mio people are above 14. 60% of them know about the internet, i.e. 42 mio. 53 % should then be approximately the 23 mio pavel got out of the top of his head. if one uses the same percentage and counts in the 1.5 (out of 5) mio swiss, 2.3 (out of 8) mio austrians, south tirol people, etc. then one gets 27 mio reading the german wikipedia, as stu wrote below.
i find it fascinating how these numbers match ... one could think they all used the same source, hehe.
links: * sinus study at divsi: https://www.divsi.de/sites/default/files/presse/docs/DIVSI-Milieu-Studie_Kur... * age pyramid germany: http://www.destatis.de/bevoelkerungspyramide/ * sinus: http://sinus-institut.de * dvsi: http://divsi.de
rupert.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 16:23, Stuart West stu@wikimedia.org wrote:
To cite the comScore stats I sent around a week ago, they estimate the following for January:
- in Germany, 53% of internet users read our sites (27 million people) on
average 5.8 times a month.
- in India, 36% of internet users read our sites (17 million people) on
average 3.7 times a month.
That suggests total internet users are only slightly higher in Germany (27/.53 or 51 million people) than in India (17/.36 or 47 million people). Interesting that a totally different data source backs up Jimmy's offhand idea that raw data for wealth (or internet usage in this case) are similar between Germany and India.
NB -- comScore is trying to make some almost impossibly difficult estimates here, but they're the only ones who really try to do for the entire internet and across multiple countries. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Stu/comScore_data_on_Wikimedia%C2%A0for a discussion of strengths/weaknesses.
-s
On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Pavel Richter wrote:
From the top of my head, about 23 Million people from Germany use the Wikimedia sites every months, so a little more than 1/4 of all Germans.
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2012/3/5 Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia-inc.com:
This is a fascinating area and I agree with Theo that making meaningful
comparisons is difficult.
Here is an interesting way to look at a comparison between Germany and
India. As I understand it, the top 80 million people in India have about
the same amount of income/wealth as the Germans (of whom there are about 80
million). It's just that in India there more than a billion more people
beyond that who live on a lot less.
While such comparisons are interesting and might be useful in terms of at
least some internal motivations, I think there's an emotional risk, since
issues around money can be so emotional.
Still, if we're going to do them, because they are fun and interesting, one
other factor to include would be per capita readership. I suspect that most
of the difference between Germany and the US in terms of donation levels can
be explained by the higher per capita readership of Wikipedia in German.
--Jimbo
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