Hello,
I'm both user of the toolserver and member of the board of Wikimedia Germany e.V. Wikimedia Germany is the provider of the server but we have no knowledge nor time to maintain it. So first of all a big thanks to all of you who keep the toolserver and the database running for various tools that support the Wikimedia projects - Gregory summarized very well the profit of it. I'm afraid Wikimedia Germany cannot easily bring replication, OAI-access and other stuff, I also doubt that communication via Toolserver users -> Wikimedia Germany -> Wikimedia Foundation -> Wikimedia technical admins is easier than endurance at wikitech-l and IRC. But the e.V. may declare "official partnerships" (this can make differences in the real world where people try to get funding) and we can buy hardware. I hope that self-organization still works although it's often frustrating. Maybe we can also manage the account policy in a self-organized way: it was planned to revise all accounts in April. I'd like to switch off inactive accounts to limit the users to people who are really working with the toolserver - what do you think about it?
Greetings, Jakob
HI all
Jakob Voss wrote: I also doubt that communication
via Toolserver users -> Wikimedia Germany -> Wikimedia Foundation -> Wikimedia technical admins is easier than endurance at wikitech-l and IRC.
It would probably help if it was made clear to server admins that the toolserver is important to the e.V., and provides a valuable service to the community. Requests have been shrugged off because "if it's not a wiki, we don't care", or something to that effect.
I understand that neither the server admins nor the e.V. have the time and resourced to always help immediately. But some "official" statement about the toolserver would probably help - and maybe it would even be useful to have a procedure for what to do if things get stalled - as for instance with a big disk array sitting there and waiting for someone to install it, for *months* now.
Maybe we can also manage the account policy in a self-organized way: it was planned to revise all accounts in April. I'd like to switch off inactive accounts to limit the users to people who are really working with the toolserver - what do you think about it?
Well, DaB accepted the responsibility for looking at requests for new account - not sure who will decide about existing ones. In any case, I have created a rough overview of user activity: /home/daniel/login.log; The data is taken from finger, so only real logins to a shell are counted (I think) - the code is at /home/daniel/bin/users. Both files should be accessible.
Regards, Daniel
Am Donnerstag, den 30.03.2006, 16:22 +0200 schrieb Daniel Kinzler:
HI all
Jakob Voss wrote: I also doubt that communication
via Toolserver users -> Wikimedia Germany -> Wikimedia Foundation -> Wikimedia technical admins is easier than endurance at wikitech-l and IRC.
It would probably help if it was made clear to server admins that the toolserver is important to the e.V., and provides a valuable service to the community. Requests have been shrugged off because "if it's not a wiki, we don't care", or something to that effect.
ack.
I understand that neither the server admins nor the e.V. have the time and resourced to always help immediately. But some "official" statement about the toolserver would probably help - and maybe it would even be useful to have a procedure for what to do if things get stalled - as for instance with a big disk array sitting there and waiting for someone to install it, for *months* now.
I have eMailed with the seller of the raidcard. The card is deliver until February, so I guess it must be at the RZ. The problem is: Nobody knows, when karc is going to the RZ next time to build in the card.
Maybe we can also manage the account policy in a self-organized way: it was planned to revise all accounts in April. I'd like to switch off inactive accounts to limit the users to people who are really working with the toolserver - what do you think about it?
Well, DaB accepted the responsibility for looking at requests for new account - not sure who will decide about existing ones. In any case, I have created a rough overview of user activity: /home/daniel/login.log; The data is taken from finger, so only real logins to a shell are counted (I think) - the code is at /home/daniel/bin/users. Both files should be accessible.
The date of 1.April is moved into future, because kate is busy at the moment and had forgotten the date. When she a lower stresslevel, I will speak with her, about whoms account will be delete. @Daniel: Thanks for the log.
BTW: Kate told me, that she can read this ML, but not answer, because there must be a error on the mailinglistserver. I have problems too.
Regards, Daniel
Sincertly DaB.
Kate do a great job .. but perhaps we should search for a second person with IT-experience. Perhaps the e.V. can help us searchingfor somebody ?
Flacus
FlaBot wrote:
Kate do a great job .. but perhaps we should search for a second person with IT-experience. Perhaps the e.V. can help us searchingfor somebody ?
AFAIK, Datura and JeLuF have root access to zedler and may be able to help with trouble shooting. But no one knows the box like kate does... Perhaps we should find someone who can help with things like setting up new database instances for replication, etc, too. Rob, perhaps?
-- Daniel
AFAIK, Datura and JeLuF have root access to zedler and may be able to
help with trouble shooting. But no one knows the box like kate does... Perhaps we should find someone who can help with things like setting up new database instances for replication, etc, too. Rob, perhaps?
OK. i think we doent need 5 person with root, but two avtive admin can be a better support.
If Rob is the person you need to fix the replication or other things with the mysql ..give him all the writes he need to to his best for the server .
Flacus
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