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emijrp:

I would like that an admin reply me if there isn't any problem with using a lot of upstream bandwidth resources for this.

A few hundred GB isn't a lot of bandwidth ;-)

- river.

Mike Dupont wrote:

Let me know if you get this script running I would also like to make a tool that will upload to commons and to archive.org http://archive.org I had a idea to make a drupal site that would let users post http://freesb.eu/drupal/drupal-7.0-alpha6/?q=node/2

would like to go from there to mediawiki and archive.org http://archive.org, could host this on toolserver.

what do you think guys? a cms that manages the uploads for users? mike

I don't think you would be allowed to install drupal in the toolserver.

However you do it, the upload to mediawiki and archive.org process should be two programs spawn for that, so that in case it fails/timeouts they can easily be restarted.

I envisage a simple facebook or flicker like plugin for people to upload, it should be friendly and simple. We want to create a photo contest for wikimedia commons and would like lots of people to submit photos, it has to be easy for them to do. maybe a tool to pull photos from facebook or other sources, instead of uploading, it would download.

mike

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:07 PM, emijrp emijrp@gmail.com wrote:

Commonist is available for uploading photos to Commons, but, it usually fails a lot if you don't have the correct Java Virtual Machine.

2010/11/4 Platonides platonides@gmail.com

Mike Dupont wrote:

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Let me know if you get this script running I would also like to make a tool that will upload to commons and to archive.org http://archive.org I had a idea to make a drupal site that would let users post http://freesb.eu/drupal/drupal-7.0-alpha6/?q=node/2

would like to go from there to mediawiki and archive.org http://archive.org, could host this on toolserver.

what do you think guys? a cms that manages the uploads for users? mike

I don't think you would be allowed to install drupal in the toolserver.

However you do it, the upload to mediawiki and archive.org process should be two programs spawn for that, so that in case it fails/timeouts they can easily be restarted.

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OK, I'm uploading November 2009 logs to Internet Archive. It uploads to ~350 kb/s now.

From December 2007 to September 2009:

http://www.archive.org/details/wikipedia_visitor_stats_200712 October 2009: http://www.archive.org/details/wikipedia_visitor_stats_200910 November 2009: Uploading...

I'm using simple ftp command. ftp -i to avoid confirmation for every file. Also, I use mput pagecounts-200911* to upload the entire month. I think that it will be complete in 2 days.

Dupont, your script has any advantage?

2010/11/5 Nikola Smolenski smolensk@eunet.rs

Дана Thursday 04 November 2010 10:40:15 Mike Dupont написа:

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I had a idea to make a drupal site that would let users post http://freesb.eu/drupal/drupal-7.0-alpha6/?q=node/2

would like to go from there to mediawiki and archive.org, could host this on toolserver.

Wikimedia Netherlands has something similar. However, most images they are getting turn out to be copyvios, so I am not sure that this is a good idea.

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Well this idea is from gerard m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM

the images being copyright violations, well that is another issue. Maybe we can host them outside of wikipedia before, let them be reviewed and them import them. mike

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Nikola Smolenski smolensk@eunet.rs wrote:

Дана Thursday 04 November 2010 10:40:15 Mike Dupont написа:

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I had a idea to make a drupal site that would let users post http://freesb.eu/drupal/drupal-7.0-alpha6/?q=node/2

would like to go from there to mediawiki and archive.org, could host this on toolserver.

Wikimedia Netherlands has something similar. However, most images they are getting turn out to be copyvios, so I am not sure that this is a good idea.

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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:

Wikimedia Israel also did something similar in their pikiwiki project. The problem is not making such software, but the filtering labour required later.

That is why we need a drupal system that provides a facebook app. the filtering will be crowdsourced, with facebook likes. at least that is my idea. mike

Mike Dupont wrote:

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Well this idea is from gerard m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM

the images being copyright violations, well that is another issue. Maybe we can host them outside of wikipedia before, let them be reviewed and them import them. mike

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@eunet.rs mailto:smolensk@eunet.rs> wrote:

Дана Thursday 04 November 2010 10:40:15 Mike Dupont написа:
> I had a idea to make a drupal site that would let users post
> http://freesb.eu/drupal/drupal-7.0-alpha6/?q=node/2
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> would like to go from there to mediawiki and archive.org
<http://archive.org>,
> could host this on toolserver.

Wikimedia Netherlands has something similar. However, most images
they are
getting turn out to be copyvios, so I am not sure that this is a
good idea.

-- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org http://flossk.org flossal.org http://flossal.org

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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:58 AM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:

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That is why we need a drupal system that provides a facebook app. the filtering will be crowdsourced, with facebook likes. at least that is my idea. mike

Why can't that be done with mediawiki and some extensions and jquery magic?

Ok, it can be done, just look at wikia, they do it,

they have a facebook connect and a like.

I would like to see also a facebook application as well, but surly it can be done.

mike

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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, DaB. WP@daniel.baur4.info wrote:

Hello, At Saturday 06 November 2010 17:54:56 DaB. wrote:

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I had a idea to make a drupal site that would let users post http://freesb.eu/drupal/drupal-7.0-alpha6/?q=node/2

would like to go from there to mediawiki and archive.org, could host this on toolserver.

that would be not possible, because of copyvios and the ts-rule that forbids to display content. Only tools that help users to upload images to commons are ok, but not such which stores the pictures on the toolserver for displaying.

okay, well I think I understand that, you dont want to have other hosts of images outside of the wiki.

But the discussion is not that simple. You can host and display pictures on other sites for selection and uploading to to toolserver.

What I am trying to discuss here are technical measures to make it easier for facebook and other users to safely make positive contributions to wikipedia and mediawiki projects.

mike

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:

Mike Dupont wrote:

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But the discussion is not that simple. You can host and display pictures on other sites for selection and uploading to to toolserver.

What I am trying to discuss here are technical measures to make it easier for facebook and other users to safely make positive contributions to wikipedia and mediawiki projects.

mike

Why are you so interested in facebook? Allowing facebook login may be "nice to have", but you seem to think that as having an high importance. Also not, that I disagree with your statement "the filtering will be crowdsourced, with facebook likes". No matter how much people "like" in facebook a given photo of David Beckham. If it's unfree, it can't go in.

I never liked facebook until i started to work on the project in kosovo and albania, almost everyone has a facebook account there are they are online all the time. That is the reason, to reach the people.

We want to have a photo competition of photos of kosovo and albania for example, for people to upload photos that they make.

mike

Well the idea is to create a photo contest, people should submit them, and they will get voted up. People will review them, for license and other issue and import them. The idea would be a facebook app. Or a way to submit a whole album. You can make albums public in fb. There are many technical measure if there is a will there is a way.

I would like to see a facebook connect like wikia has, that would be good. then we would need an upload this photo button. that would either push the photo or submit it for pull.

I dont think these things would be that hard.

we have sponsors for this, we are in discussion to get prize money. Of course the idea is to get as many photo submitted as possible that are of any value, even if they are just of every daye objects the photos can be used for the wikipedia articles.

We need to make sure these people are not confronted by the current uploader form, that will scare everyone away, it needs to be easy. Easy for people who are not native speakers and dont have the best education, people who struggle with using a computer and people who think that mobile phones are high-tech.

mike

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:37 PM, emijrp emijrp@gmail.com wrote:

Perhaps we can create a bot like that which uploads photos from Flickr? The problem is that Facebook doesn't allow to put license tags to your photos, right? But if you pass a list of URLs to Facebook images, it may can batch upload.

2010/11/6 Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com

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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:

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Mike Dupont wrote:

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But the discussion is not that simple. You can host and display pictures on other sites for selection and uploading to to toolserver.

What I am trying to discuss here are technical measures to make it easier for facebook and other users to safely make positive contributions to wikipedia and mediawiki projects.

mike

Why are you so interested in facebook? Allowing facebook login may be "nice to have", but you seem to think that as having an high importance. Also not, that I disagree with your statement "the filtering will be crowdsourced, with facebook likes". No matter how much people "like" in facebook a given photo of David Beckham. If it's unfree, it can't go in.

I never liked facebook until i started to work on the project in kosovo and albania, almost everyone has a facebook account there are they are online all the time. That is the reason, to reach the people.

We want to have a photo competition of photos of kosovo and albania for example, for people to upload photos that they make.

mike

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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.comwrote:

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:

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Well the idea is to create a photo contest, people should submit them, and they will get voted up. People will

review

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them, for license and other issue and import them. The idea would be a facebook app. Or a way to submit a whole album. You can make albums

public

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in fb. There are many technical measure if there is a will there is a

way.

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Isn't a Facebook pic only available in low resolution?

well they are pretty good and if someones photos gets selected they can upload a higher res. flickr is also available in highres.

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We need to make sure these people are not confronted by the current

uploader

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form, that will scare everyone away, it needs to be easy. Easy for people who are not native speakers and dont have the best education, people who struggle with using a computer and people who think that mobile phones

are

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high-tech.

The upload form will be replaced this month by a new upload wizard which should be much easier to use. See http://commons.prototype.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

nice! good news.

If it could support multiselect ....

What do you think about the pull idea, to be able to pull images from another webpage?

this looks like a major improvement on the old system, congrats! mike

Bryan

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Mike Dupont wrote (among other things):

well they are pretty good and if someones photos gets selected they can upload a higher res. flickr is also available in highres.

What do you think about the pull idea, to be able to pull images from another webpage?

So the idea here is that either Wikimedia (or a domain owned by a third-party that isn't Wikimedia Deutschland) would have a tool that allows people to pull images from other websites that can then be reviewed and possibly uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? Is that about right?

I see a few different issues here. One is that people already try to take random images from the Web and upload them to Commons or a specific wiki project without understanding that copyright doesn't work that way. The system you seem to be proposing would encourage this.

The second issue that I see is that someone has to take the liability of housing thousands of copyrighted images, even if they are only available on a temporary basis. Not many people (including hosting companies) are going to want this liability. You can mitigate the risks by making the site non-indexed, require a login, etc. It's still not a small hurdle, I don't think. And it would obviously involve a lot of bureaucracy if an already established organization was involved, like Wikimedia.

The third issue is that, as far as I'm aware, once a user uploads an image to Facebook, Facebook now owns at least some of the rights to that image. That isn't to say that the images can't be released in different contexts, but I think it's sure to add complication to the idea.

I think the overall idea (getting people on social networks more involved with Wikimedia) is a great one. I'm just not sure you've considered all of the obstacles that lie in the way.

MZMcBride

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedupont@googlemail.comwrote:

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:36 AM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:

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The second issue that I see is that someone has to take the liability of housing thousands of copyrighted images, even if they are only available on a temporary basis. Not many people (including hosting companies) are going to want this liability. You can mitigate the risks by making the site non-indexed, require a login, etc. It's still not a small hurdle, I don't think. And it would obviously involve a lot of bureaucracy if an already established organization was involved, like Wikimedia.

that would be facebook or flicker.

I have registered a group on flicker for this, *http://tinyurl.com/BestOfKosovo4Wikipedia*

you can see to join you need to accept the policy and we can review the photos. mike