I am confident that many users already defaulted to asking questions in English out of the American presumption that everyone speaks English everywhere.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 07:30:04AM +0000, River Tarnell wrote: Hi River, I work for an international company where sometimes indeed the germans tend to mail in german to international lists. The solution we mostly take is to answer in dutch or swedish or something :-)

Hi and 'gudn tach'! On Tue, June 29, 2010 12:37, Marcus Buck wrote: On the other hand you could call someone offensive or arrogant (or at least not-thinking-enough), if he uses his small native language in an international project. Of course, in most cases none of them is really arrogant or maliciously offensive. If someone replies in Swedish on a German request, one could take it as nothing but a joke and a hint 'try using the common language, please!', which mostly will be English, nowadays. iow: agf should hold for questioners _and_ repliers. :-) cheers/prost seth

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seth hett schreven: Interesting that you call it an 'international' project. That is technically true, but Wikimedia does not involve 'nations' or 'countries' but rather 'language communities'. So the more appropiate adjective would be 'multilingual'. And if you replace 'international project' with 'multilingual project' in your sentence it doesn't sound that meaningful anymore, does it? Arrogance and offensiveness rarely involve real maliciousness. Many people act in good faith while being arrogant and offensive. They just don't realize their rude behaviour. This "common language" is spoken by less than a quarter of the world population. If we only count decent English it's more like 10%. If somebody asks a question in a non-English language what would happen in the optimal case: a) one of the other list members knows the language, knows the answer, answers the answer in the non-English language and adds a sentence in English telling the other list members what he answered (so they can make addenda if necessary which will be translated into the non-English language) b) one of the other list members knows the language, but doesn't know the answer: He acts as a interpreter between the original poster and the list c) none of the list members knows the language: if some time has passed and noone has initiated a) or b) one of the list members answers the question with something like "Apparently nobody speaks X, perhaps you could try to ask in English so more people can understand your question." Either the original poster speaks English and asks in English or he doesn't speak English. In the latter case he's lost but at least the list tried to help without making jokes about him. Marcus Buck User:Slomox

Hi folks I hate to interrupt this fruitful discussion about the politically correct way of resolving languages issues, but can we get back to the issue at hand, please? No one is forbidden from using their native language. For getting help quickly, writing in English is probably a good idea. That's all. Please keep in mind that a basic level of English is a REQUIREMENT for getting a toolserver account, simply for the reason that admins need to be able to communicate with users directly, and users have to understand rules, announcements, etc. I don't see how a general debate about netiquette in multilingual projects is relevant to the toolserver list. It's an interesting topic, for sure, but this isn't the place. English is the lingua franca on the toolserver. We'll all have to live with that. Cheers, Daniel _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Marcus Buck <wiki(a)marcusbuck.org> wrote: But it's spoken by everyone on this list and everyone with a toolserver account.