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On 19.01.2014 03:21, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
These are two very different problems.
AFAICS the wiki can be moved rather easily; your mail trig- gered me to finally create the bug from my notes written long ago :-) (cf. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60220). The Toolserver admins need to decouple the wiki from the Toolserver SSO and dump users and data, the WMF admins need to set up a (= just another) wiki without CentralAuth (wmgUseCentralAuth = false IIRC), load users and data, reset the/mail out new users' passwords and then wiki.toolserver.org needs to be set as a CNAME for text-lb.
That is good to hear! :) Thanks for your effort regarding this.
JIRA however is much more complicated. You know from your own experience (https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/TS-748 has now been unresolved for over three years) that few of the Toolserver admins have time and knowledge with regard to JIRA, while in the WMF camp they have probably zero. So compared with MediaWiki where (security) updates will be regularly deployed with the rest of the cluster, someone would have to keep a dedicated eye on a totally foreign sys- tem. And we only have a free licence from Atlassian which could at some point be discontinued. On the other hand the benefits are very small as Merlijn wrote the fantastic JIRA/ Bugzilla importer which handles almost all cases.
Yes I know those issues... ;) It is/was a pitty...
As far as I know, the JIRA/Bugzilla importer has issues as well, please confer https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55673. It does e.g. NOT preserve relations between tickets and thus drops a serious amount of the history too. As I understand from the buzilla ticket this will not be resolved.
In my oppinion 1 of the 2 problems should be tackeled; * either keep a static copy of JIRA (may be just the DB along with a simple viewer written by us) * or improve JIRA/Bugzilla importer to a point where it can migrate relations between tickets and other stuff as well
Thanks for all your comments! Greetings DrTrigon