Hi Tilman, I'm still having trouble with following this train of thought,
but in any case it will be interesting to see how the blog post plays out
in the socials.
Pine
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Tilman Bayer <tbayer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Pine, I'm not sure why you read a suggestion into
this. The blog post
is already out (and the social media messages have been taken care
of), we'll see what its reception and impact are.
If you read the whole post, the second-to-last paragraph (together
with the preceding one on computer-mediated communication) contains
some explanations why certain autistic traits - e.g. intensive
attention to detail - might be seen as strengths in the context of
working on Wikipedia, facilitating positive contributions that benefit
the project and its readers. That's what I was referring to, with the
hope that this aspect about the upsides of neurodiversity will prevail
over negative readings of the post such as in the the link I
shared.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Tilman, can you explain further what you're
suggesting? I would worry
about
a narrative that tied difficulties in community
interactions to an
alleged
prevalance of Autism-spectrum disorders in the
Wikimedia community, and I
think you agree with that sentiment, but I'm not sure how this blog post
ties into "a corrective for the negative narrative that has been
developed
about the editing community's attitudes in
many places." Can you
elaborate?
Thanks,
Pine
On Aug 3, 2015 5:33 AM, "Tilman Bayer" <tbayer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> This thread is veering a bit offtopic ;) but I can't help piling on:
> Kudos to Guillaume for sharing this, and the talk in Mexico was great
> too - I'm very glad I went to see it.
>
> Be aware that someone is trying to tie the post to the gender gap
> discussion, citing the higher incidence of autism in men:
>
https://edoornbusch.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/wikisoap-autisme-gendergap/
> (Google Translate should give the gist; also
of the reaction of the
> editor she diagnosed with autism for reverting or deleting her
> contributions about jewelry designers
>
>
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Paul_Brussel#De_fout_ligt_n…
> )
> Without disputing or confirming that particular blogger's account that
> she may have had unpleasant interactions on the Dutch Wikipedia: It
> would be unfortunate if Guillaume's call for neurodiversity became an
> excuse for people to remotely diagnose mental health issues in
> Wikipedians who correct or delete their contributions (and yes, I
> realize that it is purposefully and rightfully never called a disorder
> in Guillaume's post - but in other parts of society we are still far
> from "autistic" not being perceived a pejorative). On the other hand,
> Guillaume's post might become very valuable as a corrective for the
> negative narrative that has been developed about the editing
> community's attitudes in many places. After all, what's so wrong about
> an encyclopedia being written by people who are "obsessed with
> citations, references, and verifiability"?
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Katherine Maher <kmaher(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Chiming in late, but +1 on everything everyone else has said. Really
> > appreciate your sharing this Guillaume. I was sad to have missed it at
> > Wikimania, and thrilled to learn you had written a blog version to
share.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Joe Sutherland
> > <jsutherland(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Gonna share this on Monday morning for those sweet sweet clix. Great
> >> work team.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, 2 August 2015, Andrew Sherman <asherman(a)wikimedia.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree as well with James. Guillaume this story is just fantastic.
> >>>
> >>> +1 to both as well.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM, James Alexander
> >>> <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Guillaume Paumier
> >>>> <gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joe Sutherland
> >>>>> > <jsutherland(a)wikimedia.org>
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > *Twitter (@wikipedia/@wikimedia):*
> >>>>> > > • "As you can imagine, realizing at 31 that you
are on the
> >>>>> > > autism spectrum
> >>>>> > > changes your perception dramatically."
> >>>>> > >
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/31/autistic-wikipedia-life/
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > LGTM like the quote, don't have a great alternative to
sneak in
> >>>>> > Guillaume's twitter account as a mention
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The following twoosh could work:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wikipedian @gpaumier found out at 31 he was autistic: "As
you can
> >>>>> imagine, it
> >>>>> changes your perception dramatically."
> >>>>>
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/31/autistic-wikipedia-life/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But it feels a bit self-serving to be the one suggesting it, so
I'm
> >>>>> also fine
> >>>>> with Joe's original proposal.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well it IS aiming to promote you, self-serving is kinda the point
;)
>>>
>>> both LGTM for what it's worth.
>>>
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