Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 1, 2005 5:47 AM, Anthere wrote:
> Okay, I hope everything is going on well for everyone.
> I noticed several editors joined the new list, so all
> is well.
>
> I started mentionning the new adresse to french
> editors.
>
> It came to my mind that we could announce at the same
> time this new list, the new news template on the
> foundation... and remind everyone of translation
> request at the same time.
>
> Ant
>
I noticed Aphaia added a request for translators on the meta Goings on
page. And I mentioned that we needed translators to all the people who
originally put their name on the m:Talk:WQ along with the link to the
mailing list. Good to hear people have already signed up..
Cormac
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Nod. I'll try to look at all this a bit more this week end. We need to also make use of what Waerth started.
For registration, about a good dozen people already registered.
I did not check who was put to moderate the list (obviously at least I), but I would suggest that SJ and Cormac both be on this list. Is that alright with everyone ? Some else ?
If no other comments, I suggest you ask Fire about this. I could add you, but since I do not know the list password, I would be unable to give it to you for access to admin interface. So... it would be quite useless :-)
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Okay, I hope everything is going on well for everyone.
I noticed several editors joined the new list, so all
is well.
I started mentionning the new adresse to french
editors.
It came to my mind that we could announce at the same
time this new list, the new news template on the
foundation... and remind everyone of translation
request at the same time.
Ant
--- Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:53:22 -0500, Sj
> <2.718281828(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > The right place on meta to publicize that would be
> > 1) under [[m:Translation requests]]
> > 2) linked to from Goings-on
> >
> > Translation of the Week is specifically for a
> minor and under-noticed
> > article on some project, not for general
> translations.
> >
> > Aphaia, it would be nice to have a generic blurb
> of the form:
> > "Please help improve communication among
> projects.
> > The [[m:Project_Page|Project Name]] project
> with the goal of {{Goal}},
> > needs [[m:How_to_Translate|translation help]]:
> you can help
> > [[m:TR/Page|here]]."
> >
> > We could then have people translate Project Name
> and Goal for each new
> > mutlilingual project, add in the right URLs, and
> quickly produce a
> > "please help" blurb that Cormar, or anyone, could
> distribute to each
> > project's Village Pump...
> >
> > The mailing list is now set up. Please sign
> yourselves up here:
> >
>
http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-news-l
> >
> > Cormac, can you reach out to the people currently
> listed as wanting to
> > receive the Quarto by mail?
> >
> > SJ
> >
>
> Yep, will do that now. Great work so far everybody
> :)
> Cormac
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Hiya
My thought would be that since the Quarto might be
sent to non-wikipedians, preferably stick to full
languages names on the left. Most people do not know
our codes... Keep short en, es, it for anchor on the
top as for Quarto though...
Hmmm, I like it :-)
In case Fire does not answer in the next few days (I
think I saw him about everyday on irc. but this is
Easter), I think people like Kate or Brion can be
asked to help for the ml.
Cheers
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--- Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I've done about as much on the email as I
> can. I've taken out
> the image because, having read up about it, it seems
> to be harder than
> I originally thought to put these things inline. So,
> my version for
> the moment is attached with links working links as
> much as possible,
> anchored, and Spanish translation. Aphaia, could you
> possibly get some
> others translated?
> Also, I've added the text code of the email onto the
> Quarto talk page:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WQ
> You could change it there yourselves (if html isn't
> too daunting) or
> email me with your changes, translations etc. There
> are details like
> the little sign under the c in Francais or the
> accents in Romana which
> i can't do, so I'll need your help on that. Still no
> feedback from
> mailing list people - will email the others you
> mentioned, Anthere - I
> have Brion's contact details, but who is Kate?
> Cheers
> Cormac
Hiya,
I perplex because I saw Fire on the irc yesterday, and
he confirmed me that SJ had contacted him about the
new list... I'll ask him again unless SJ can confirm
the state of this...
Just checking... Fire is not online right now.
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sorry, just sent this to Sj, posting it to list..
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:31:16 -0500, Sj <2.718281828(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cheers,
> --an excited SJ
>
That's nice :) I'm attaching the latest draft - I've changed the links
at the side to appear in two different formats - one has links in a
line like: de | en | es | fr etc and the other has a vertical list.
Which do you all prefer? (They're not links yet but will be) Aphaia -
thanks for your comments, but I don't know what proportional fonts
are. I should probably post the html code somewhere on meta - maybe
the Quarto talk page so you can copy, paste and edit it yourselves.
Something that came to mind - is it not a bit late to be advertising
Quarto 2? It's even late to be calling for content for Quarto 3,
though translating will always be key. I still haven't notified those
interested in Quarto about this - kind of waiting for the list so
people can subscribe. And finally, who would know about putting an
image in a html email? Any ideas from any projects?
Cormac
Hi,
It seems we could have a mailing list, like the others, i.e.:
WikiFoundInfo
WikiFoundNews
WikiFoundAnnounce
or something longer, i.e.:
WikimediaFoundationNews
WikimediaFoundationInformation
WikimediaFoundationAnnouncements
or something different, like:
News from the WikimediaFoundation
The Latest (News) from the WikimediaFoundation.
There really doesn't seem to be much room for imagination in the name of a mailing list that has to include WikimediaFoundation, already.
As Ever,
Ruth Ifcher
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From: Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com>
> Hello, and once again, to all, very good work on Quarto :)
>
> Anthere has already posted my mail and her reply to this list, which
> I've pasted below. It sounds like just one mailing list is needed if
> option one is the way to go (which i agree with - a link to the
> foundation page is probably enough, though Anthere suggests it would
> be "interesting" if editors didnt come to the foundation page. Is that
> a good interesting or a bad one?)
>
> If this is the case, won't we then need to direct each user who is
> interested to register themselves to this list? As far as I can tell
> each list is self-registered. Like I said, I'll post a message to
> users' talk pages so they can do this themselves, though i can't do
> this until the list is set up. And before I ask user:Fire to set one
> up, can i ask if there are any suggestions as to what to call it?
> Anthere suggests: 'Information from the Wikimedia Foundation'. Any
> opinions/suggestions?
>
> Then we need the text to go in the mail, eg. The (nth) edition of the
> Wikimedia Foundation Quarto newsletter is [here]! Find out about
> [what's happening] around our multilingual projects, read about
> [Wikimania] and [other meetups] worldwide, check out our [interiew
> with Lawrence Lessig], and [more]. Ok, it's a bit cheesy, but that's
> my (user)name! And then get this translated - I can do Spanish.. Then
> formatted - again i can just about work with Dreamweaver but i don't
> know how best to format for email and how to actually go about posting
> an email like that, so i'll need some help.
>
> That's just repeating what Anthere's said but I'd appreciate any
> further comments. Cheers
> Cormac
>
> Anthere wrote:
> Hello
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your mail Cormac.. I hope you do not mind that
> I forward it to quarto-l(a)wikimedia.org (I hope...). And thanks for the
> nice comment :-)
>
>
>
> Your help would be more than welcome for that till now, no one had the
> time to take care of this point.
>
>
>
> We discussed it a bit on irc yesterday after I informed Sj, Britty and
> others of your desire to help on this.
>
> Current situation is this one : we do not have yet the pdf of Quarto,
> for a couple of reasons. First, nobody yet took the time to make a pdf
> from each version, second, Kate mentionned that pdf was a proprietary
> format...and we cannot host it on meta...
>
>
>
> There are three ways we can inform people
>
> * option 1 : either we send them an informative mail, with all
> relevant links to the place they can find Quarto when it is released
>
> * option 2 : or we send them a mail with the pdf attached
>
> * option 3 : or we send them a mail with a text version included
>
>
>
> In options 2 and 3, editors will never come to the foundation site,
> which might be potentially interesting.
>
> In options 2 and 3, we absolutely need to know the language desired by
> the editor, and either an different list for each language, or a
> database tweak so that the right mail is sent depending on language
> preference.
>
> In option 2, the mail can be quite heavy, which not every box accept
> nor every editor likes. We also need someone to make the pdf
>
> In option 3, the mail is not very heavy, but we still need someone to
> prepare all texts
>
>
>
> Hmmm, normally, we try to release versions in 10 languages...
>
>
>
> In all cases
>
> * we need someone to set up at least one mailing list (with
> restriction in terms of who can send the mail or not)
>
> * we need someone to gather all emails addresses from interested people
>
> * we need someone to enter all these emails addresses in the list of
> recipiendaries
>
> * we need someone to admin the list
>
> * we need someone to set up the content of the mail
>
>
>
> In option 1, the mail sent could consist in a short collection of
> paragraphs, announcing the Quarto, and offering appropriate links.
> Each paragraph in a different language. A neat html outline could be
> set up for this mail to look decent even though in 10 languages, and
> we could just have to change links and a couple of words each time we
> send a mail. That would be the most efficient way I think.
>
>
>
> Yesterday discussion led us to think that we should first try to
> organise option 1 (general mail in 10 languages with links, to be sent
> to everyone). This would be a first step. The other options need more
> thought and discussion right now.
>
>
>
> What do you think ?
>
>
>
> If you are still interested (I hope), you can register to quarto-l, or
> comment on meta. The person in charge of all mailing lists set up is
> user:Fire (see is meta account). Aphaia is the contact for all
> translation needs. Sj for ... in this case ... to help set up the
> content of the mail of course ! Who is a html wizard to make us a nice
> layout for the mail ?
>
>
>
> Last comment : I would prefer that the list as a quite explicit but
> generalist name. I care little for the short name, but it would be
> nice it appears to readers as something like "Information from the
> Wikimedia Foundation", or something of the type. The idea is to make
> it possible if exceptional circonstances arise, to send a specific
> mail not directly related to Quarto if it is thought necessary.
>
>
>
> What do you people think and suggest ?
>
>
> Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello,
> I noticed that quite a few people have asked that the
> Wikimedia newsletter Quarto be sent to them via email
> and that you asked whether a mailing list could be set
> up
> for those that have added their name. A problem would
> be that the newsletter is being requested in several
> languages - i don't know how this works, but would
> this mean that a separate mailing
> list would have to be set up for each language
> newsletter? Or maybe it would be possible to link it
> to a database
> of some sort? I tried to contact an overall list admin
> but there doesn't seem to be one - should I email
> someone like David Gerard, or Sj?
> If a mailing list is created, I volunteer to add a
> note to each person's talk page who has made a
> request.
> Thanks,
> Cormac Lawler
> User:Cormaggio (en,m)
>
> PS: Brilliant work on Quarto, and i especially like
> your comments in your board-member letter - lovely
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Hi,
To see the html, you have to change the extension from ".rtf" to "htm." Then open it in Dreamweaver and you will see a web page. I think...
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From: Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:14:26 -0800 (PST), Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think one of the benefit of giving the reader a link
> > to Quarto, on thte foundation website, will be to
> > remind him, there is such a website, and hopefully, he
> > can wander a bit around.
> >
> > Versus, with just a pdf, he won't.
> >
>
> Yes, that's what I thought you would think, and I would agree. Ok,
> I've prepared a very basic html version of a possible mail, but I
> can't get it to work in an email (it works from Dreamweaver to preview
> in browser), so I'm attaching it as a text document so you can preview
> it yourselves - hope it works. There's loads missing but just to get a
> sense of layout - what do you think? I don't know if the image will
> appear for you - I seem to have it configured wrong my end - but it's
> just the wikimedia logo. Finally, will I just go ahead and post a
> message to interested people and tell them the link is there, and that
> the mailing list will soon be set up? And final name for the mailing
> list? WikimediaFoundationInfo?
> Cheers
> Cormac
Hello, and once again, to all, very good work on Quarto :)
Anthere has already posted my mail and her reply to this list, which
I've pasted below. It sounds like just one mailing list is needed if
option one is the way to go (which i agree with - a link to the
foundation page is probably enough, though Anthere suggests it would
be "interesting" if editors didnt come to the foundation page. Is that
a good interesting or a bad one?)
If this is the case, won't we then need to direct each user who is
interested to register themselves to this list? As far as I can tell
each list is self-registered. Like I said, I'll post a message to
users' talk pages so they can do this themselves, though i can't do
this until the list is set up. And before I ask user:Fire to set one
up, can i ask if there are any suggestions as to what to call it?
Anthere suggests: 'Information from the Wikimedia Foundation'. Any
opinions/suggestions?
Then we need the text to go in the mail, eg. The (nth) edition of the
Wikimedia Foundation Quarto newsletter is [here]! Find out about
[what's happening] around our multilingual projects, read about
[Wikimania] and [other meetups] worldwide, check out our [interiew
with Lawrence Lessig], and [more]. Ok, it's a bit cheesy, but that's
my (user)name! And then get this translated - I can do Spanish.. Then
formatted - again i can just about work with Dreamweaver but i don't
know how best to format for email and how to actually go about posting
an email like that, so i'll need some help.
That's just repeating what Anthere's said but I'd appreciate any
further comments. Cheers
Cormac
Anthere wrote:
Hello
Thank you very much for your mail Cormac.. I hope you do not mind that
I forward it to quarto-l(a)wikimedia.org (I hope...). And thanks for the
nice comment :-)
Your help would be more than welcome for that till now, no one had the
time to take care of this point.
We discussed it a bit on irc yesterday after I informed Sj, Britty and
others of your desire to help on this.
Current situation is this one : we do not have yet the pdf of Quarto,
for a couple of reasons. First, nobody yet took the time to make a pdf
from each version, second, Kate mentionned that pdf was a proprietary
format...and we cannot host it on meta...
There are three ways we can inform people
* option 1 : either we send them an informative mail, with all
relevant links to the place they can find Quarto when it is released
* option 2 : or we send them a mail with the pdf attached
* option 3 : or we send them a mail with a text version included
In options 2 and 3, editors will never come to the foundation site,
which might be potentially interesting.
In options 2 and 3, we absolutely need to know the language desired by
the editor, and either an different list for each language, or a
database tweak so that the right mail is sent depending on language
preference.
In option 2, the mail can be quite heavy, which not every box accept
nor every editor likes. We also need someone to make the pdf
In option 3, the mail is not very heavy, but we still need someone to
prepare all texts
Hmmm, normally, we try to release versions in 10 languages...
In all cases
* we need someone to set up at least one mailing list (with
restriction in terms of who can send the mail or not)
* we need someone to gather all emails addresses from interested people
* we need someone to enter all these emails addresses in the list of
recipiendaries
* we need someone to admin the list
* we need someone to set up the content of the mail
In option 1, the mail sent could consist in a short collection of
paragraphs, announcing the Quarto, and offering appropriate links.
Each paragraph in a different language. A neat html outline could be
set up for this mail to look decent even though in 10 languages, and
we could just have to change links and a couple of words each time we
send a mail. That would be the most efficient way I think.
Yesterday discussion led us to think that we should first try to
organise option 1 (general mail in 10 languages with links, to be sent
to everyone). This would be a first step. The other options need more
thought and discussion right now.
What do you think ?
If you are still interested (I hope), you can register to quarto-l, or
comment on meta. The person in charge of all mailing lists set up is
user:Fire (see is meta account). Aphaia is the contact for all
translation needs. Sj for ... in this case ... to help set up the
content of the mail of course ! Who is a html wizard to make us a nice
layout for the mail ?
Last comment : I would prefer that the list as a quite explicit but
generalist name. I care little for the short name, but it would be
nice it appears to readers as something like "Information from the
Wikimedia Foundation", or something of the type. The idea is to make
it possible if exceptional circonstances arise, to send a specific
mail not directly related to Quarto if it is thought necessary.
What do you people think and suggest ?
Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hello,
I noticed that quite a few people have asked that the
Wikimedia newsletter Quarto be sent to them via email
and that you asked whether a mailing list could be set
up
for those that have added their name. A problem would
be that the newsletter is being requested in several
languages - i don't know how this works, but would
this mean that a separate mailing
list would have to be set up for each language
newsletter? Or maybe it would be possible to link it
to a database
of some sort? I tried to contact an overall list admin
but there doesn't seem to be one - should I email
someone like David Gerard, or Sj?
If a mailing list is created, I volunteer to add a
note to each person's talk page who has made a
request.
Thanks,
Cormac Lawler
User:Cormaggio (en,m)
PS: Brilliant work on Quarto, and i especially like
your comments in your board-member letter - lovely
Hello
Thank you very much for your mail Cormac.. I hope you do not mind that I forward it to quarto-l(a)wikimedia.org (I hope...). And thanks for the nice comment :-)
Your help would be more than welcome for that till now, no one had the time to take care of this point.
We discussed it a bit on irc yesterday after I informed Sj, Britty and others of your desire to help on this.
Current situation is this one : we do not have yet the pdf of Quarto, for a couple of reasons. First, nobody yet took the time to make a pdf from each version, second, Kate mentionned that pdf was a proprietary format...and we cannot host it on meta...
There are three ways we can inform people
* option 1 : either we send them an informative mail, with all relevant links to the place they can find Quarto when it is released
* option 2 : or we send them a mail with the pdf attached
* option 3 : or we send them a mail with a text version included
In options 2 and 3, editors will never come to the foundation site, which might be potentially interesting.
In options 2 and 3, we absolutely need to know the language desired by the editor, and either an different list for each language, or a database tweak so that the right mail is sent depending on language preference.
In option 2, the mail can be quite heavy, which not every box accept nor every editor likes. We also need someone to make the pdf
In option 3, the mail is not very heavy, but we still need someone to prepare all texts
Hmmm, normally, we try to release versions in 10 languages...
In all cases
* we need someone to set up at least one mailing list (with restriction in terms of who can send the mail or not)
* we need someone to gather all emails addresses from interested people
* we need someone to enter all these emails addresses in the list of recipiendaries
* we need someone to admin the list
* we need someone to set up the content of the mail
In option 1, the mail sent could consist in a short collection of paragraphs, announcing the Quarto, and offering appropriate links. Each paragraph in a different language. A neat html outline could be set up for this mail to look decent even though in 10 languages, and we could just have to change links and a couple of words each time we send a mail. That would be the most efficient way I think.
Yesterday discussion led us to think that we should first try to organise option 1 (general mail in 10 languages with links, to be sent to everyone). This would be a first step. The other options need more thought and discussion right now.
What do you think ?
If you are still interested (I hope), you can register to quarto-l, or comment on meta. The person in charge of all mailing lists set up is user:Fire (see is meta account). Aphaia is the contact for all translation needs. Sj for ... in this case ... to help set up the content of the mail of course ! Who is a html wizard to make us a nice layout for the mail ?
Last comment : I would prefer that the list as a quite explicit but generalist name. I care little for the short name, but it would be nice it appears to readers as something like "Information from the Wikimedia Foundation", or something of the type. The idea is to make it possible if exceptional circonstances arise, to send a specific mail not directly related to Quarto if it is thought necessary.
What do you people think and suggest ?
Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:Hello,
I noticed that quite a few people have asked that the
Wikimedia newsletter Quarto be sent to them via email
and that you asked whether a mailing list could be set
up
for those that have added their name. A problem would
be that the newsletter is being requested in several
languages - i don't know how this works, but would
this mean that a separate mailing
list would have to be set up for each language
newsletter? Or maybe it would be possible to link it
to a database
of some sort? I tried to contact an overall list admin
but there doesn't seem to be one - should I email
someone like David Gerard, or Sj?
If a mailing list is created, I volunteer to add a
note to each person's talk page who has made a
request.
Thanks,
Cormac Lawler
User:Cormaggio (en,m)
PS: Brilliant work on Quarto, and i especially like
your comments in your board-member letter - lovely
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I announced Quarto 2nd version in the sign post on
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You can find this announcement here :
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Do not hesitate to translate and make similar
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