Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open.
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open.
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open .
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
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-- Dr Bjoern Hassler Centre for Commonwealth Education (Faculty of Education) & Digital Services (CARET, University Library) University of Cambridge Email: bh213@cam.ac.uk
Open Educational Resources for Teacher Education http://oer.educ.cam.ac.uk/
OER for School-based teacher professional learning in sub-Saharan Africa http://www.oer4schools.org
Aptivate | (http://www.aptivate.org) Email: bjoern@aptivate.org
Mobile (UK): +44-7952-888939 Web: http://www.sciencemedianetwork.org
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Hi Stuart, hi all,
the copyright violation isn't really one - I wrote both texts. Now, technically you are right of course, but I'll get a CC logo put up on our project page, which would resolve the issue. I'll ask the departmental web person to do this now! We'll want to rewrite it a bit anyway.
Sibi, Fred: Many thanks for comments and willingness to help out!! Great to have your responses! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:08, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open .
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
-- Dr Bjoern Hassler Centre for Commonwealth Education (Faculty of Education) & Digital Services (CARET, University Library) University of Cambridge Email: bh213@cam.ac.uk
Open Educational Resources for Teacher Education http://oer.educ.cam.ac.uk/
OER for School-based teacher professional learning in sub-Saharan Africa http://www.oer4schools.org
Aptivate | (http://www.aptivate.org) Email: bjoern@aptivate.org
Mobile (UK): +44-7952-888939 Web: http://www.sciencemedianetwork.org
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
Hello,
Post notes on Wikipedia in a userpage sandbox so that we can collaboratively look at this together and get it live so that it will be easier to reach.
If you need help doing this, create a Wikipedia account, share the name here, and then we can meet on-wiki.
I am user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia. Thanks for doing this. Yes, citing newspapers is good.
yours,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart, hi all,
the copyright violation isn't really one - I wrote both texts. Now, technically you are right of course, but I'll get a CC logo put up on our project page, which would resolve the issue. I'll ask the departmental web person to do this now! We'll want to rewrite it a bit anyway.
Sibi, Fred: Many thanks for comments and willingness to help out!! Great to have your responses! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:08, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open .
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
-- Dr Bjoern Hassler Centre for Commonwealth Education (Faculty of Education) & Digital Services (CARET, University Library) University of Cambridge Email: bh213@cam.ac.uk
Open Educational Resources for Teacher Education http://oer.educ.cam.ac.uk/
OER for School-based teacher professional learning in sub-Saharan Africa http://www.oer4schools.org
Aptivate | (http://www.aptivate.org) Email: bjoern@aptivate.org
Mobile (UK): +44-7952-888939 Web: http://www.sciencemedianetwork.org
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
-- Dr Bjoern Hassler Centre for Commonwealth Education (Faculty of Education) & Digital Services (CARET, University Library) University of Cambridge Email: bh213@cam.ac.uk
Open Educational Resources for Teacher Education http://oer.educ.cam.ac.uk/
OER for School-based teacher professional learning in sub-Saharan Africa http://www.oer4schools.org
Aptivate | (http://www.aptivate.org) Email: bjoern@aptivate.org
Mobile (UK): +44-7952-888939 Web: http://www.sciencemedianetwork.org
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
Great - many thanks - so let's discuss this on the talk page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OER4Schools
Thanks for all your input! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:51, Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com wrote:
Hello,
Post notes on Wikipedia in a userpage sandbox so that we can collaboratively look at this together and get it live so that it will be easier to reach.
If you need help doing this, create a Wikipedia account, share the name here, and then we can meet on-wiki.
I am user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia. Thanks for doing this. Yes, citing newspapers is good.
yours,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart, hi all,
the copyright violation isn't really one - I wrote both texts. Now, technically you are right of course, but I'll get a CC logo put up on our project page, which would resolve the issue. I'll ask the departmental web person to do this now! We'll want to rewrite it a bit anyway.
Sibi, Fred: Many thanks for comments and willingness to help out!! Great to have your responses! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:08, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open .
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
OpenAccess mailing list OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
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Bjoern and all --
What a great project & discussion! I have looked at the article, and it appears things are well underway. I will do what I can to support these efforts on Wikipedia, so only a couple quick comments for now/in email:
1. Bjoern, could you also make a brief announcement that you are working on this on the WikiProject Open talk page? http://enwp.org/WT:OPEN This is a good practice in general, and it would be particularly helpful right now -- we have a new cohort of students starting the "Writing Wikipedia Articles" (WIKISOO) course this week, and they will benefit from seeing this kind of WikiProject activity right from the start.
2. To the extent you are generally advocating for open projects to contribute to Wikipedia, I would urge you to include in your advocacy the importance of generally improving articles covering the field (like "Open Access", "OER", "Open content" etc.) -- in addition to articles about their specific projects.
3. I may have mentioned this to you before -- but we had students last summer who wrote an article on their own project. For anyone taking on a similar project, I think it's worthwhile to review the discussion from its talk page, especially the section about conflicts of interest. This provides some good practical insight into how to approach that issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PhET_Interactive_Simulations
Looking forward to seeing where this goes! I will be putting some more specific suggestions on Wikipedia.
Pete
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Great - many thanks - so let's discuss this on the talk page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OER4Schools
Thanks for all your input! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:51, Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com wrote:
Hello,
Post notes on Wikipedia in a userpage sandbox so that we can collaboratively look at this together and get it live so that it will be easier to reach.
If you need help doing this, create a Wikipedia account, share the name here, and then we can meet on-wiki.
I am user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia. Thanks for doing this. Yes, citing newspapers is good.
yours,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart, hi all,
the copyright violation isn't really one - I wrote both texts. Now, technically you are right of course, but I'll get a CC logo put up on our project page, which would resolve the issue. I'll ask the departmental web person to do this now! We'll want to rewrite it a bit anyway.
Sibi, Fred: Many thanks for comments and willingness to help out!! Great to have your responses! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:08, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open .
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear all, > > I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd > raise something for discussion. > > *Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with > "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?* > > *Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? * > > E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project > http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale > projects, such as EfA / GMR: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report > are represented. > > Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are > saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would > advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather > than setting up a separate platform. > > For example I've just created this page: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools > It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within > the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may > still be frowned upon. > > What do people think? > > All the best, > Bjoern > > _______________________________________________ > OpenAccess mailing list > OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess > >
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About the OER4Schools videos linked at the bottom of the article -- I see that even though their YouTube pages list the standard YouTube license, they also are available CC licenses. At least I think so -- this one, for example: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3lBeUfLbg Is also available on the JISC site, which has a general CC BY-SA and CC BY-NC label at the bottom.
If they are truly available under CC licenses, do you think it would be possible to change the YouTube metadata to accurately reflect that? Would you know who to talk to to get that done?
(It also might be worthwhile to upload one or more of them to Wikimedia Commons -- and consider using them to illustrate the Wikipedia article.)
Pete
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Pete Forsyth pete@wikistrategies.netwrote:
Bjoern and all --
What a great project & discussion! I have looked at the article, and it appears things are well underway. I will do what I can to support these efforts on Wikipedia, so only a couple quick comments for now/in email:
- Bjoern, could you also make a brief announcement that you are working
on this on the WikiProject Open talk page? http://enwp.org/WT:OPEN This is a good practice in general, and it would be particularly helpful right now -- we have a new cohort of students starting the "Writing Wikipedia Articles" (WIKISOO) course this week, and they will benefit from seeing this kind of WikiProject activity right from the start.
- To the extent you are generally advocating for open projects to
contribute to Wikipedia, I would urge you to include in your advocacy the importance of generally improving articles covering the field (like "Open Access", "OER", "Open content" etc.) -- in addition to articles about their specific projects.
- I may have mentioned this to you before -- but we had students last
summer who wrote an article on their own project. For anyone taking on a similar project, I think it's worthwhile to review the discussion from its talk page, especially the section about conflicts of interest. This provides some good practical insight into how to approach that issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PhET_Interactive_Simulations
Looking forward to seeing where this goes! I will be putting some more specific suggestions on Wikipedia.
Pete
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Great - many thanks - so let's discuss this on the talk page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OER4Schools
Thanks for all your input! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:51, Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com wrote:
Hello,
Post notes on Wikipedia in a userpage sandbox so that we can collaboratively look at this together and get it live so that it will be easier to reach.
If you need help doing this, create a Wikipedia account, share the name here, and then we can meet on-wiki.
I am user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia. Thanks for doing this. Yes, citing newspapers is good.
yours,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Stuart, hi all,
the copyright violation isn't really one - I wrote both texts. Now, technically you are right of course, but I'll get a CC logo put up on our project page, which would resolve the issue. I'll ask the departmental web person to do this now! We'll want to rewrite it a bit anyway.
Sibi, Fred: Many thanks for comments and willingness to help out!! Great to have your responses! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:08, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
> Hi Bjoern, > > I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these > projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will > need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every > statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources > (e.g. the OER4Schools website). > > If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add > them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people > to look at. > > If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject > Open talk pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open > . > > Thanks, > > Stuart > > > On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought >> I'd raise something for discussion. >> >> *Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with >> "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?* >> >> *Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? * >> >> E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project >> http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale >> projects, such as EfA / GMR: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report >> are represented. >> >> Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are >> saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would >> advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather >> than setting up a separate platform. >> >> For example I've just created this page: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools >> It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person >> within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, >> it may still be frowned upon. >> >> What do people think? >> >> All the best, >> Bjoern >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenAccess mailing list >> OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OpenAccess mailing list > OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess > >
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From Wayne Mackintosh:
"There is an initiative which provides free training targeted at building capacity for writing WP articles on the topics of openness see http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_of_Open_course
I think there is a course running at the moment.
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Cheers,
Fabiana
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Pete Forsyth pete@wikistrategies.netwrote:
About the OER4Schools videos linked at the bottom of the article -- I see that even though their YouTube pages list the standard YouTube license, they also are available CC licenses. At least I think so -- this one, for example:
Is also available on the JISC site, which has a general CC BY-SA and CC BY-NC label at the bottom.
If they are truly available under CC licenses, do you think it would be possible to change the YouTube metadata to accurately reflect that? Would you know who to talk to to get that done?
(It also might be worthwhile to upload one or more of them to Wikimedia Commons -- and consider using them to illustrate the Wikipedia article.)
Pete
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Pete Forsyth pete@wikistrategies.netwrote:
Bjoern and all --
What a great project & discussion! I have looked at the article, and it appears things are well underway. I will do what I can to support these efforts on Wikipedia, so only a couple quick comments for now/in email:
- Bjoern, could you also make a brief announcement that you are working
on this on the WikiProject Open talk page? http://enwp.org/WT:OPEN This is a good practice in general, and it would be particularly helpful right now -- we have a new cohort of students starting the "Writing Wikipedia Articles" (WIKISOO) course this week, and they will benefit from seeing this kind of WikiProject activity right from the start.
- To the extent you are generally advocating for open projects to
contribute to Wikipedia, I would urge you to include in your advocacy the importance of generally improving articles covering the field (like "Open Access", "OER", "Open content" etc.) -- in addition to articles about their specific projects.
- I may have mentioned this to you before -- but we had students last
summer who wrote an article on their own project. For anyone taking on a similar project, I think it's worthwhile to review the discussion from its talk page, especially the section about conflicts of interest. This provides some good practical insight into how to approach that issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PhET_Interactive_Simulations
Looking forward to seeing where this goes! I will be putting some more specific suggestions on Wikipedia.
Pete
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Great - many thanks - so let's discuss this on the talk page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OER4Schools
Thanks for all your input! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:51, Lane Rasberry lane@bluerasberry.com wrote:
Hello,
Post notes on Wikipedia in a userpage sandbox so that we can collaboratively look at this together and get it live so that it will be easier to reach.
If you need help doing this, create a Wikipedia account, share the name here, and then we can meet on-wiki.
I am user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia. Thanks for doing this. Yes, citing newspapers is good.
yours,
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Stuart, hi all,
the copyright violation isn't really one - I wrote both texts. Now, technically you are right of course, but I'll get a CC logo put up on our project page, which would resolve the issue. I'll ask the departmental web person to do this now! We'll want to rewrite it a bit anyway.
Sibi, Fred: Many thanks for comments and willingness to help out!! Great to have your responses! Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 13:08, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bjeorn,
Research articles are great sources, less so if they are written by those involved, but still valid sources. References from other organisations would be very good.
Unfortunately I've realised that a lot of the text of the article is copied from here: https://www.educ.cam.ac.uk/centres/cce/initiatives/projects/oer4schools/ which is a copyright violation. As far as I can see, that page is copyrighted (no Creative Commons license), so the copied text needs to be removed and re-written/paraphrased instead.
Thanks, Stuart
On 21 February 2014 11:51, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Stuart, > > many thanks. > > What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to > research articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that > those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? > THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would > work. > > What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag > that it's not complete? > > Bjoern > > > On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.comwrote: > >> Hi Bjoern, >> >> I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these >> projects. The article for OER4Schoolshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will >> need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every >> statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources >> (e.g. the OER4Schools website). >> >> If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add >> them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people >> to look at. >> >> If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject >> Open talk pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open >> . >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stuart >> >> >> On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought >>> I'd raise something for discussion. >>> >>> *Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with >>> "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?* >>> >>> *Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? * >>> >>> E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project >>> http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale >>> projects, such as EfA / GMR: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report >>> are represented. >>> >>> Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are >>> saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would >>> advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather >>> than setting up a separate platform. >>> >>> For example I've just created this page: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools >>> It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person >>> within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, >>> it may still be frowned upon. >>> >>> What do people think? >>> >>> All the best, >>> Bjoern >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenAccess mailing list >>> OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenAccess mailing list >> OpenAccess@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess >> >> > > >
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Hi Bjoern,
I would help you with secondary sources . Will help out with the template for stubs too.
No article in Wikipedia is incomplete or complete .:-) Its just stub or otherwise.
Would post the documents shortly.
-Sibi
On Feb 21, 2014 5:22 PM, "Bjoern Hassler" bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Stuart,
many thanks.
What secondary sources would be appropriate? E.g. linking to research
articles (published in journals, peer-reviewed)? Or (given that those are written by people involved), do they count as primary sources? THere are some referneces from other organisations to us, so that would work.
What sort of banner should we put at the top of the article to flag that
it's not complete?
Bjoern
On 21 February 2014 12:14, Stuart Lawson stuart.a.lawson@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these
projects. The article for OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them
or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open
talk page.
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd
raise something for discussion.
Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with
"open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?
Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects?
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project
http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying
that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within
the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
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For references you can use journal articles, perhaps education journals? or news coverage in journals such as The Guardian or The Journal of Higher Education. Need to link to the article from other Wikipedia articles also.
Fred
Hi Bjoern,
I think it's a great idea to create Wikipedia articles for these projects. The article for OER4Schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools will need quite a lot of work to make it appropriate for Wikipedia; every statement must be referenced, and it can't rely only on primary sources (e.g. the OER4Schools website).
If you know of other sources that discuss the project, please add them or references or list them on the article's talk page for other people to look at.
If you like, you could propose similar articles on the WikiProject Open talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Open.
Thanks,
Stuart
On 21 February 2014 10:59, Bjoern Hassler bjohas@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am currently at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week, and I thought I'd raise something for discussion.
*Should there be wikipedia entries on projects that are to do with "open"? I.e. an entry describing the project?*
*Should there be wikipedia entries on educational projects? *
E.g. the significant UNESCO TISSA project, or the CREATE project http://www.create-rpc.org/ are not on wikipedia. Larger scale projects, such as EfA / GMR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_For_All https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_for_All_Global_Monitoring_Report are represented.
Background: People at the UNESCO Mobile Learning Week here are saying that it's difficult to find out about other projects, and I would advocate that we should use wikipedia to share basic information, rather than setting up a separate platform.
For example I've just created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OER4Schools It's fairly unbiased, but at the same time, I am a key person within the project. So while I could defend the neutrality of the article, it may still be frowned upon.
What do people think?
All the best, Bjoern
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