Well, this is fun:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Austin#Would_the_Wikimedia_Foundati...
Austin
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On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:21 , Austin Hair wrote:
Well, this is fun:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Austin#Would_the_Wikimedia_Foundati...
Austin
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On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?
<troll> There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT </troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
Best, Lodewijk
2011/3/22 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?
<troll> There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT </troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
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2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical. In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
you met with him last year and since as well? Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:49 , Austin Hair wrote:
2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical. In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
*Jon Huggett* +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com *www.huggett.com* Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:49 , Austin Hair wrote:
2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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Was something in his posting libelous? Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:53 , Theo10011 wrote:
I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
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On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:49 , Austin Hair wrote:
2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical. In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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Not sure, that was a judgement call by User:WizardofOZ, a Meta admin and a long-standing community member. No one has questioned or opposed the ban yet, so I doubt its going to be reverted.
I can ask Wizard and get back to you, if you like.
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Was something in his posting libelous?
*Jon Huggett* +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com *www.huggett.com* Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:53 , Theo10011 wrote:
I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.comwrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
*Jon Huggett* +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com *www.huggett.com* Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:49 , Austin Hair wrote:
2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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Wizard clarified that it was because of posting private emails on wiki publicly that he was blocked. He has also asked someone to suppress the edits.
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure, that was a judgement call by User:WizardofOZ, a Meta admin and a long-standing community member. No one has questioned or opposed the ban yet, so I doubt its going to be reverted.
I can ask Wizard and get back to you, if you like.
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.comwrote:
Was something in his posting libelous?
*Jon Huggett* +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com *www.huggett.com* Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:53 , Theo10011 wrote:
I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.comwrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
*Jon Huggett* +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com *www.huggett.com* Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:49 , Austin Hair wrote:
2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal
events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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Presumably that refers to the email he had received from Wikimedia ES? Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 6:14 , Theo10011 wrote:
Wizard clarified that it was because of posting private emails on wiki publicly that he was blocked. He has also asked someone to suppress the edits.
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com wrote: Not sure, that was a judgement call by User:WizardofOZ, a Meta admin and a long-standing community member. No one has questioned or opposed the ban yet, so I doubt its going to be reverted.
I can ask Wizard and get back to you, if you like.
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Was something in his posting libelous?
Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:53 , Theo10011 wrote:
I think Capsot left a message for all the movement roles participant. He has been indefinitely blocked from Meta for adding libelous information.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Capsot
Theo
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
Jon Huggett +44-795-278-0688 +1-415-465-2700 jon@huggett.com www.huggett.com Skype jon.huggett
On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:49 , Austin Hair wrote:
2011/3/22 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical. In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
I don't have it from the man himself, but apparently Goma will be there.
Austin
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Certainly!
At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in the fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of power". (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records as trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom, etc.)
Asaf
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Was something in his posting libelous?
*Jon Huggett*
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
Certainly! At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in the fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of power". (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records as trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom, etc.)
Damn you read the whole thing? Where is that? I caught the female fishmonger (which is actually kind of deserved :P), but I did not catch the accusation of nepotism...
Delphine
Ah got it.
These people need to get a life.
:)
Delphine
2011/3/22 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com wrote:
Certainly! At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in the fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of power". (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records as trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom, etc.)
Damn you read the whole thing? Where is that? I caught the female fishmonger (which is actually kind of deserved :P), but I did not catch the accusation of nepotism...
Delphine
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All of the changes made by Capsot have been reverted, some have been suppressed as well. The decision was taken by Meta Admins.
Also, It might not be pertinent to the topic but Goma seems to be following whats going on, he reverted a meta admin on the Wikimedia CAT page.
Theo
2011/3/23 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com
Ah got it.
These people need to get a life.
:)
Delphine
2011/3/22 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Asaf Bartov asaf.bartov@gmail.com
wrote:
Certainly! At the very least, his suggestion that there's some kind of nepotism in
the
fact both partners at the Klempert-Menard household are in "positions of power". (Ignoring the fact they have individual and unrelated records
as
trusted volunteers, and the fact the Board is not appointed by ChapCom, etc.)
Damn you read the whole thing? Where is that? I caught the female fishmonger (which is actually kind of deserved :P), but I did not catch the accusation of nepotism...
Delphine
@notafish
NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will
get lost.
Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive -
Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org
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2011/3/22 Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com:
All of the changes made by Capsot have been reverted, some have been suppressed as well. The decision was taken by Meta Admins. Also, It might not be pertinent to the topic but Goma seems to be following whats going on, he reverted a meta admin on the Wikimedia CAT page.
Theo, live and learn. Goma is like GLUED to the meta pages he's interested in. :)
Try making a comment on anything that he might be interested in, you're sure to get an answer within seconds.
Been there, done that.
I love the fact that the decision to revert was made by independant people. (unless you asked them?) The Amical people will never believe us, but hey, it's my little victory.
Delphine, blasée. (Using the French word, not the English :P)
2011/3/23 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com:
2011/3/22 Theo10011 de10011@gmail.com:
All of the changes made by Capsot have been reverted, some have been suppressed as well. The decision was taken by Meta Admins. Also, It might not be pertinent to the topic but Goma seems to be following whats going on, he reverted a meta admin on the Wikimedia CAT page.
Theo, live and learn. Goma is like GLUED to the meta pages he's interested in. :)
Try making a comment on anything that he might be interested in, you're sure to get an answer within seconds.
Been there, done that.
I love the fact that the decision to revert was made by independant people. (unless you asked them?) The Amical people will never believe us, but hey, it's my little victory.
Darn, Lodewijk had a hand in it. Well, he just subtly pointed them to the talk pages, didn't tell them what to do. Still a victory ;)
Delphine (as for blasée, I was using the French spelling, cos I'm a woman, and the feminine is blasée, whereas, if I'm not mistaken, English always uses "blasé")
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
At the chapters meeting and at various meetings at Wikimania; he has a thing about dropping in anywhere he thinks his case can be heard, whether he's invited or not.
Austin
I assume good faith on Goma's part, and hope you all will as well.
He is coming to Berlin for the Movement Roles meeting, because we invited him. He is leaving on Friday as he was not invited to stay for the Chapters meeting.*
He is one of the driving forces behind major projects on the Catalan Wikipedia, and has been for many years, since long before the question of a Catalan chapter became a big issue. To tar Goma with the brush of someone 'trying to get his case heard' is just as inappropriate as suggesting that Delphine and Arne are pat of some Foundation conspiracy.
He lives and breathes Wikipedia, as do most of the Amical Board -- something many of us can related to. And he spends far more of his time on national and cultural projects (like the event supporting small languaegs that ca:wp held in honor of their 10th anniversary, and their GLAM event that happened yesterday in Barcelona) than he does on these meta-wikimedia dramas.
I have met with him twice, and been offended by him more than once online, but I have been deeply impressed with the quality of work that his group does, and the sense of camraderie and collaboration that drive them. If we cannot find ways to work with them with respect and without snide commentary, we are failing our movement.
SJ
* NB: On behalf of the Foundation, I regret that no one representing Amical will be in attendance this weekend. The Board politely and unofficially asked the Wikimedia Conference organizers to invite a representative from Amical, after discussing this at our last IRC meeting, as their work lines up with many topics on the agenda.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
At the chapters meeting and at various meetings at Wikimania; he has a thing about dropping in anywhere he thinks his case can be heard, whether he's invited or not.
Austin
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Ehm, I must have missed something here, I hope you care to elaborate. He has been invited by whom exactly? And for what? (And sure I am assuming good faith - I do not think that he is coming to make our life hard or anything. But does he have a strong opinion and does he want to participate at relevant discussions? Sure. Nothing wrong with that an sich.)
I am having the feeling that lots of communication gets lost somewhere...
Lodewijk
2011/3/24 Samuel Klein sj@wikimedia.org
I assume good faith on Goma's part, and hope you all will as well.
He is coming to Berlin for the Movement Roles meeting, because we invited him. He is leaving on Friday as he was not invited to stay for the Chapters meeting.*
He is one of the driving forces behind major projects on the Catalan Wikipedia, and has been for many years, since long before the question of a Catalan chapter became a big issue. To tar Goma with the brush of someone 'trying to get his case heard' is just as inappropriate as suggesting that Delphine and Arne are pat of some Foundation conspiracy.
He lives and breathes Wikipedia, as do most of the Amical Board -- something many of us can related to. And he spends far more of his time on national and cultural projects (like the event supporting small languaegs that ca:wp held in honor of their 10th anniversary, and their GLAM event that happened yesterday in Barcelona) than he does on these meta-wikimedia dramas.
I have met with him twice, and been offended by him more than once online, but I have been deeply impressed with the quality of work that his group does, and the sense of camraderie and collaboration that drive them. If we cannot find ways to work with them with respect and without snide commentary, we are failing our movement.
SJ
- NB: On behalf of the Foundation, I regret that no one representing
Amical will be in attendance this weekend. The Board politely and unofficially asked the Wikimedia Conference organizers to invite a representative from Amical, after discussing this at our last IRC meeting, as their work lines up with many topics on the agenda.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com
wrote:
you met with him last year and since as well?
At the chapters meeting and at various meetings at Wikimania; he has a thing about dropping in anywhere he thinks his case can be heard, whether he's invited or not.
Austin
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On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:47 , Lodewijk wrote:
for the record: officially nobody has been invited from Amical.
In the past year that however did not stop them to drop by at informal events, but I am not sure if that will be so this year too.
Best, Lodewijk
2011/3/22 Delphine Ménard notafishz@gmail.com On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?
<troll> There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT </troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
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Well, I have messages from Gomà and Capsot on my talk page, too. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jhuggett
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On 2011 Mar 23, at 5:44 , Delphine Ménard wrote:
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Jon Huggett jon.huggett@gmail.com wrote:
Do we know who from Amical or Wikimedia CAT will be in Berlin?
<troll> There is no such thing as Wikimedia CAT </troll>
:D
I suppose Joan Goma, as usual.
Delphine
@notafish
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