"Unless you find a use-case which you're addressing, don't code this please." We coding this over a year ago on this basis but nothing has been done with it. My question that I am wondering if we should explore the answer to is: "Does showing the number of talk topics on an article increase engagement in discussions?" (Note evidence from many user tests that have been run in the past 2 years give me the impression that many non-editors are not aware there is a discussion side to Wikipedia)
"It is. There is no need to code things twice - as mobile interface is merely a skin."
I'm not sure what you mean here. The mobile team has been thinking about doing this, this doesn't mean Flow has been. I'm not sure what skins have to do with anything here. Yes Flow could easily surface such a number but the number would have to be generated and surfaced somewhere since Flow is implemented completely differently.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Gryllida gryllida@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 23 May 2014, at 21:44, Jon Robson wrote:
In the alpha mode of mobile we show a number inside the talk icon that shows how many open talk topics there are on a page.
For example here: On the San Francisco [1] page you see a 7. If you click it there are 7 topics / sections.
Horrendous task. I'd use a talk icon instead - the count never matters. The only case is when I care whether there is 0 or not, so I know whether it's worth skimming anything against my concern or I should start a new topic.
Unless you find a use-case which you're addressing, don't code this please.
Also I wonder if this is something Flow is thinking about.
It is. There is no need to code things twice - as mobile interface is merely a skin.
Gryllida.
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Jon Robson, 23/05/2014 15:54:
(Note evidence from many user tests that have been run in the past 2 years give me the impression that many non-editors are not aware there is a discussion side to Wikipedia)
I've tried https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random/Talk and then the "Return to ... page" link and I could not find a link to talk page. Is there any? In normal skins, the existence of a talk page is reported by a blue link; the red link is used to invite creation. It seems you may want to get the basics to work on mobile first.
Nemo
Currently talk is only available via the beta mode of the site: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
We've been focusing on VisualEditor stuff.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Jon Robson, 23/05/2014 15:54:
(Note evidence from many user tests that have been run in the past 2 years give me the impression that many non-editors are not aware there is a discussion side to Wikipedia)
I've tried https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random/Talk and then the "Return to ... page" link and I could not find a link to talk page. Is there any? In normal skins, the existence of a talk page is reported by a blue link; the red link is used to invite creation. It seems you may want to get the basics to work on mobile first.
Nemo
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(and the talk count is only available in alpha mode) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions?mobileaction=beta
Sorry if this was not clear.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Currently talk is only available via the beta mode of the site: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
We've been focusing on VisualEditor stuff.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Jon Robson, 23/05/2014 15:54:
(Note evidence from many user tests that have been run in the past 2 years give me the impression that many non-editors are not aware there is a discussion side to Wikipedia)
I've tried https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random/Talk and then the "Return to ... page" link and I could not find a link to talk page. Is there any? In normal skins, the existence of a talk page is reported by a blue link; the red link is used to invite creation. It seems you may want to get the basics to work on mobile first.
Nemo
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