Ok, good feedback. To some degree this is determined by the admins of each language, though in English we exercised some discretion.
Copying mobile-l to see if this generates more discussion.
Phil
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Imzadi1979 imzadi1979@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Philip Chang wrote:
Thanks for your feedback. It was a conscious choice to include only TFA and ITN, because of the restrictions of mobile screens.
Do you feel strongly about any of the other content you mentioned?
Phil
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Imzadi1979 imzadi1979@gmail.com wrote:
Just a quick comment, but the display of the Main Page only shows TFA and ITN. What about DYK, OTD, TFL and TFP?
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Well, that's only 40% of the sections of the real Main Page (33% on Mondays). I'm sure the people who work hard to get TFP and TFL would be upset knowing that their hard work is only visible on computers and third-pary apps, not the one app that carries the WMF "seal of approval". Sorry, but I don't buy the "restrictions of mobile screens" argument when Wikipanion or Wikiamo, two apps I downloaded before the "official" app was available, show the whole Main Page. In short, the Main Page isn't the Main Page without all of its sections. The other apps don't display it as gracefully as possible, but they do show all of the sections.
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We should be able to display all of the main page content, using collapsible sections, like we do for other pages, for things like ITN & DYK.
On 16 July 2012 22:09, Philip Chang pchang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Ok, good feedback. To some degree this is determined by the admins of each language, though in English we exercised some discretion.
Copying mobile-l to see if this generates more discussion.
Phil
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Imzadi1979 imzadi1979@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Philip Chang wrote:
Thanks for your feedback. It was a conscious choice to include only TFA and ITN, because of the restrictions of mobile screens.
Do you feel strongly about any of the other content you mentioned?
Phil
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Imzadi1979 imzadi1979@gmail.com wrote:
Just a quick comment, but the display of the Main Page only shows TFA and ITN. What about DYK, OTD, TFL and TFP?
Well, that's only 40% of the sections of the real Main Page (33% on Mondays). I'm sure the people who work hard to get TFP and TFL would be upset knowing that their hard work is only visible on computers and third-pary apps, not the one app that carries the WMF "seal of approval". Sorry, but I don't buy the "restrictions of mobile screens" argument when Wikipanion or Wikiamo, two apps I downloaded before the "official" app was available, show the whole Main Page. In short, the Main Page isn't the Main Page without all of its sections. The other apps don't display it as gracefully as possible, but they do show all of the sections.
On 19.07.2012, 15:36 Andy wrote:
We should be able to display all of the main page content, using collapsible sections, like we do for other pages, for things like ITN & DYK.
Why? Main pages are supposed to be reasonably small, there should be no need to collapse anything, as it hinders the discoverability and different people are looking for different sections on main page.
I tend to agree with the people who prefer less content on the main page.
However, the real problem with the current approach is that it assumes that there are "featured article" and "in the news" sections in the main pages in all languages, and this is wrong. Some languages put other content under these selectors. It's a hack, but that's how it is.
So, size can be limited, but more flexibility in describing the content should be allowed.
-- Amir
2012/7/19 Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com
On 19.07.2012, 15:36 Andy wrote:
We should be able to display all of the main page content, using collapsible sections, like we do for other pages, for things like ITN & DYK.
Why? Main pages are supposed to be reasonably small, there should be no need to collapse anything, as it hinders the discoverability and different people are looking for different sections on main page.
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
However, the real problem with the current approach is that it assumes that there are "featured article" and "in the news" sections in the main pages in all languages, and this is wrong. Some languages put other content under these selectors. It's a hack, but that's how it is.
No it doesn't. You can add whatever section you want. Just add an "mf-foobar" and we'll show it. The current approach has nothing to do with specific main page sections and you can highlight whatever you want. Seriously, try it ... anything with an "mf-" will be shown.
If the core issue is that we want to show non TFA and ITN then you can already do it. I'm not seeing any issue with that.
if the issue is that people are not liking *how* to surface the sections that they want on mobile then that is a different discussion.
--tomasz
Tomasz is right but it still a mess as many homepages do not currently show anything as a result of the special casing that goes on for the main page.
Please see (and contribute to) this thread where I am trying to gain some momentum to resolve this: http://www.mail-archive.com/mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg00273.html
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
However, the real problem with the current approach is that it assumes that there are "featured article" and "in the news" sections in the main pages in all languages, and this is wrong. Some languages put other content under these selectors. It's a hack, but that's how it is.
No it doesn't. You can add whatever section you want. Just add an "mf-foobar" and we'll show it. The current approach has nothing to do with specific main page sections and you can highlight whatever you want. Seriously, try it ... anything with an "mf-" will be shown.
If the core issue is that we want to show non TFA and ITN then you can already do it. I'm not seeing any issue with that.
if the issue is that people are not liking *how* to surface the sections that they want on mobile then that is a different discussion.
--tomasz
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