On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many
companies
or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How will Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
+1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have to convince Lila is a good use of our time...
Lila is convinced it is a good use of time; that's why tools for community needs was in the Call To Action. And that's why we announced the creation of a Community Tech team yesterday (see wikimedia-l). Details and prioritization are still to be fleshed out (they can't tackle everything at once!) but moderation tools are definitely one of the things the team could tackle.
Luis
Luis, I was aso curious if the moderation team plans to hire design resources.
Thanks Vibha
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jdlrobson@gmail.com');> wrote:
I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere,
which
describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many
companies
or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How will Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
+1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have to convince Lila is a good use of our time...
Lila is convinced it is a good use of time; that's why tools for community needs was in the Call To Action. And that's why we announced the creation of a Community Tech team yesterday (see wikimedia-l). Details and prioritization are still to be fleshed out (they can't tackle everything at once!) but moderation tools are definitely one of the things the team could tackle.
Luis
-- Luis Villa Sr. Director of Community Engagement Wikimedia Foundation *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge.*
Yes, the announcement was encouraging! I'm sure we'll be in touch when these issues surface again after the reorg dust settles :-)
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere,
which
describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many
companies
or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How will Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
+1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have to convince Lila is a good use of our time...
Lila is convinced it is a good use of time; that's why tools for community needs was in the Call To Action. And that's why we announced the creation of a Community Tech team yesterday (see wikimedia-l). Details and prioritization are still to be fleshed out (they can't tackle everything at once!) but moderation tools are definitely one of the things the team could tackle.
Luis
-- Luis Villa Sr. Director of Community Engagement Wikimedia Foundation *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge.*
(We're vastly offtopic on this list.)
Luis Villa, 22/04/2015 19:48:
moderation tools are definitely one of the things the team could tackle.
From what I recall of Lila's speech in Milan, that team is designed to respond to community requests/needs. Not to technical debt created by the latest WMF-created feature. Either way, I hope any work in this area will build upon past efforts:* * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Admin_tools_development * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T43492
Nemo
(*) Where most of the work was done by the "usual suspects", usually when they were still volunteers. https://old-bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?f1=blocked&list_id=361495...