In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds more value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
Thanks Jon,
Just for clarity: Is this clicks on watch list links "in general" (mobile and desktop), clicking on the watchlist button on mobile or clicking on watchlist links on mobile? (or something else)
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds more value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
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This is clicks on English Wikipedia in the beta version of mobile web within the 'hamburger menu' (the menu accessed by clicking on the 3 line icon in the top left corner). We've seen lots of data on mobile web that suggest people use the watchlist in this way.
If we look at watchlist behaviour, although the editor watchlist sees more general activity, if you look at unique users, in this month, 1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
[1] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-view'; [2] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-view';
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:10 AM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks Jon,
Just for clarity: Is this clicks on watch list links "in general" (mobile and desktop), clicking on the watchlist button on mobile or clicking on watchlist links on mobile? (or something else)
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds more value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing Jon.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
This is clicks on English Wikipedia in the beta version of mobile web within the 'hamburger menu' (the menu accessed by clicking on the 3 line icon in the top left corner). We've seen lots of data on mobile web that suggest people use the watchlist in this way.
If we look at watchlist behaviour, although the editor watchlist sees more general activity, if you look at unique users, in this month, 1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
[1] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-view'; [2] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-view';
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:10 AM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks Jon,
Just for clarity: Is this clicks on watch list links "in general" (mobile and desktop), clicking on the watchlist button on mobile or clicking on watchlist links on mobile? (or something else)
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds more value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
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If these numbers grow for collections maybe we can make a case for rolling Watchlist into Collections altogether.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for sharing Jon.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
This is clicks on English Wikipedia in the beta version of mobile web within the 'hamburger menu' (the menu accessed by clicking on the 3 line icon in the top left corner). We've seen lots of data on mobile web that suggest people use the watchlist in this way.
If we look at watchlist behaviour, although the editor watchlist sees more general activity, if you look at unique users, in this month, 1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
[1] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-view'; [2] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-view';
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:10 AM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks Jon,
Just for clarity: Is this clicks on watch list links "in general"
(mobile
and desktop), clicking on the watchlist button on mobile or clicking on watchlist links on mobile? (or something else)
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds more value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
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Jon, just to clarify, wouldn't this query also work? Seems easier to write. Also, where do you run it? I would love to play with it some day.
SELECT event_name, count(1) count FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' AND wiki = 'enwiki' GROUP BY event_name;
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Moiz Syed msyed@wikimedia.org wrote:
If these numbers grow for collections maybe we can make a case for rolling Watchlist into Collections altogether.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for sharing Jon.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
This is clicks on English Wikipedia in the beta version of mobile web within the 'hamburger menu' (the menu accessed by clicking on the 3 line icon in the top left corner). We've seen lots of data on mobile web that suggest people use the watchlist in this way.
If we look at watchlist behaviour, although the editor watchlist sees more general activity, if you look at unique users, in this month, 1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
[1] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-view'; [2] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-view';
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:10 AM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks Jon,
Just for clarity: Is this clicks on watch list links "in general"
(mobile
and desktop), clicking on the watchlist button on mobile or clicking on watchlist links on mobile? (or something else)
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds more value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
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Yep. The SQL query has to be this way to generate limn graphs and I lazily copy and pasted. If you have access to stat.wikimedia.org I can give you access! On 21 Apr 2015 8:08 pm, "Yuri Astrakhan" yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jon, just to clarify, wouldn't this query also work? Seems easier to write. Also, where do you run it? I would love to play with it some day.
SELECT event_name, count(1) count FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' AND wiki = 'enwiki' GROUP BY event_name;
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Moiz Syed msyed@wikimedia.org wrote:
If these numbers grow for collections maybe we can make a case for rolling Watchlist into Collections altogether.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for sharing Jon.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
This is clicks on English Wikipedia in the beta version of mobile web within the 'hamburger menu' (the menu accessed by clicking on the 3 line icon in the top left corner). We've seen lots of data on mobile web that suggest people use the watchlist in this way.
If we look at watchlist behaviour, although the editor watchlist sees more general activity, if you look at unique users, in this month, 1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
[1] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-view'; [2] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-view';
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:10 AM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks Jon,
Just for clarity: Is this clicks on watch list links "in general"
(mobile
and desktop), clicking on the watchlist button on mobile or clicking
on
watchlist links on mobile? (or something else)
James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
In beta on enwiki, there were 400 clicks on watchlist compared to 587 on collections since we launched it. It will be interesting how it holds out, as I suspect it is "new feature curiosity" but it adds
more
value to the idea that people use the watchlist for things other than editing. It's even more popular than nearby at current time.
That said It still fails to compete with our most popular 'features' home, random and settings.
Result of SQL Query [1]: Home Random Nearby Watchlist Uploads Settings Profile Logout Login Collections 1308 851 500 400 0 1188 258 99 373 587
[1] SELECT sum(if(event_name = 'home', 1, 0)) as Home, sum(if(event_name = 'random', 1, 0)) as Random, sum(if(event_name = 'nearby', 1, 0)) as Nearby, sum(if(event_name = 'watchlist', 1, 0)) as Watchlist, sum(if(event_name = 'uploads', 1, 0)) as Uploads, sum(if(event_name = 'settings', 1, 0)) as Settings, sum(if(event_name = 'profile', 1, 0)) as Profile, sum(if(event_name = 'logout', 1, 0)) as Logout, sum(if(event_name = 'login', 1, 0)) as Login, sum(if(event_name = 'collections', 1, 0)) as Collections FROM MobileWebMainMenuClickTracking_11568715 WHERE event_mobileMode = 'beta' and wiki = 'enwiki'
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Jon Robson, 15/04/2015 20:25:
1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
...or that users are confused and don't manage to get to the *actual* watchlist, which requires two clicks instead of one as usual. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88270
Nemo
The data doesn't seem to back that up.
3645 [1] unique users switched from the list view to feed view. Since 1563 [2] clicked links in the list view and 1413 [1] clicking links in the feed that suggests to me all those users are finding both sides of the feature (someone could do more complicated queries to verify if any users didn't discover it if they really want). I'm thus not worried about this being a problem.
On top of this 1173 [4] unique users also switched back from the feed view to the list view, so people are jumping between them and finding use in both views it seems.
[1] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-switch'; [2] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-a-z-view'; [3] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-view'; [4] select count(distinct event_username) from MobileWebWatchlistClickTracking_10720361 where timestamp > 20150401000000 and event_name = 'watchlist-feed-switch';
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Jon Robson, 15/04/2015 20:25:
1117 known users have used the watchlist as a bookmarking tool for jumping to pages [1] whereas 1090 have used it to get to diffs, so there is thus mounting evidence to show there is a need for a reader version of the watchlist.
...or that users are confused and don't manage to get to the *actual* watchlist, which requires two clicks instead of one as usual. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88270
Nemo