I get reminded of https://xkcd.com/1174/ : "less information and a dumbed-down interface", "I like the tablet and desktop being the same", "Wiki for kiddies", "Mobile version sites are limited". https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/17/wikimedia-sites-get-a-new-look-on-tabl...
Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer.
Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:
Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.
And I add another question: is it technically possible to configure this switch per-wiki?
Nemo
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Importance of data increases: I reiterate my question, for which I had no answer.
Federico Leva (Nemo), 15/06/2014 09:09:
Will someone be monitoring the effects [if any] on editing activity and number of active editors/new [10+ edits] editors?[...] I asked about effects of this change, not about totals.
Nemo,
You were given an answer. To repeat...
The mobile report card (mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org) measures the daily and monthly editors over time. Mapping the month-to-month and year-over-year rates of change tells us what the trends are in mobile editing activity. There are also desktop editing trends in separate dashboards (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Data/Dashboards).
Steven Walling, 18/06/2014 21:06:
You were given an answer. To repeat...
The mobile report card
Thanks, I know about it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=5653002
[...] mobile editing activity. [...]
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
And then the other on how the redirect is configured.
Thanks and sorry for the confusion caused by the back and forth, Nemo
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
Nemo,
Look at the dashboards for the mobile team. They include monitoring of active editors (5+ content edits/month) and new active editors (5+ content edits/month who registered recently) on mobile. They do not include very active editors or Erik Zachte's 10+ edits metric (which we don't use much in product analysis).
The redirect is configured at the Varnish layer, specifically in text-frontend.inc.vcl.erb. Basically, it redirects any user agents that contain 'mobi', 'android', or several other strings to the mobile interface. There used to be an exemption for agents identified as tablets, but the exemption was removed.
Ryan Kaldari
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor" and maybe also "very active editor", "new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
Nemo,
Look at the dashboards for the mobile team. They include monitoring of active editors (5+ content edits/month) and new active editors (5+ content edits/month who registered recently) on mobile. They do not include very active editors or Erik Zachte's 10+ edits metric (which we don't use much in product analysis).
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Steven Walling, 18/06/2014 21:06:
You were given an answer. To repeat...
The mobile report card
Thanks, I know about it. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=5653002
[...] mobile editing activity. [...]
Which I never asked about. Steven, you clearly don't know the answer to my question, but that's fine: you're not forced to reply.
So, to be even more specific, can someone from Mobile or Analytics
Hi, Mobile Web PM here :)
say if they'll be monitoring what effect, if any, this change («tablet redirect to mobile interface») has on the metrics known as "active editor"
Yes.
and maybe also "very active editor"
That's not a metric we're looking at specifically, no, though it's trivial to query and I'll probably just do it for fun :)
"new contributor"? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Active_editor
Yes.
And then the other on how the redirect is configured.
I think Kaldari's answered this :)