See https://tools.wmflabs.org/autodesc for the new API described in the post. Interesting at least as a fallback to human-written descriptions...
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Manual descriptions are, in the vast majority of cases, a waste of volunteer time. Alternative: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=265
On Sun Feb 08 2015 at 17:37:42 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, How does that help ? The point is exactly that there is no point to descriptions. Why iterate on a dog it will still be a mutt. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2015 at 14:07, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
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I'd rather see it not as something terribly disappointing, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently.
Basically, to find some cycles to resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com כתב:
Hoi, I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in a mobile app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because it is not realistic to expect enough coverage in any language. Particularly in the small languages it will not be really useful.
My question is: we have had automated descriptions for a long time. What is it that they makes that they are not used.?
Thanks, GerardM
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Awesome! I would love to see the output of AutoDesc be returned by the API, when a manual description is not available. I would also be a strong proponent of fully auto-generated descriptions for all articles. (The data is right there!)
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
See https://tools.wmflabs.org/autodesc for the new API described in the post. Interesting at least as a fallback to human-written descriptions...
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Manual descriptions are, in the vast majority of cases, a waste of volunteer time. Alternative: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=265
On Sun Feb 08 2015 at 17:37:42 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, How does that help ? The point is exactly that there is no point to descriptions. Why iterate on a dog it will still be a mutt. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2015 at 14:07, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I'd rather see it not as something terribly disappointing, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently.
Basically, to find some cycles to resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com כתב:
Hoi, I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in a mobile app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because it is not realistic to expect enough coverage in any language. Particularly in the small languages it will not be really useful.
My question is: we have had automated descriptions for a long time. What is it that they makes that they are not used.?
Thanks, GerardM
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Eh, please don't - have you tried it for languages other than English? 09 февр. 2015 г. 5:55 пользователь "Dmitry Brant" dbrant@wikimedia.org написал:
Awesome! I would love to see the output of AutoDesc be returned by the API, when a manual description is not available. I would also be a strong proponent of fully auto-generated descriptions for all articles. (The data is right there!)
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
See https://tools.wmflabs.org/autodesc for the new API described in the post. Interesting at least as a fallback to human-written descriptions...
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Manual descriptions are, in the vast majority of cases, a waste of volunteer time. Alternative: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=265
On Sun Feb 08 2015 at 17:37:42 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, How does that help ? The point is exactly that there is no point to descriptions. Why iterate on a dog it will still be a mutt. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2015 at 14:07, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I'd rather see it not as something terribly disappointing, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently.
Basically, to find some cycles to resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com כתב:
Hoi, I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in a mobile app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because it is not realistic to expect enough coverage in any language. Particularly in the small languages it will not be really useful.
My question is: we have had automated descriptions for a long time. What is it that they makes that they are not used.?
Thanks, GerardM
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Sure, I won't deny that it would still need a lot of work, but I still see it as a logical next step.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Eh, please don't - have you tried it for languages other than English? 09 февр. 2015 г. 5:55 пользователь "Dmitry Brant" dbrant@wikimedia.org написал:
Awesome! I would love to see the output of AutoDesc be returned by the
API, when a manual description is not available. I would also be a strong proponent of fully auto-generated descriptions for all articles. (The data is right there!)
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
See https://tools.wmflabs.org/autodesc for the new API described in the post. Interesting at least as a fallback to human-written descriptions...
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Manual descriptions are, in the vast majority of cases, a waste of volunteer time. Alternative: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=265
On Sun Feb 08 2015 at 17:37:42 Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, How does that help ? The point is exactly that there is no point to descriptions. Why iterate on a dog it will still be a mutt. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2015 at 14:07, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I'd rather see it not as something terribly disappointing, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently.
Basically, to find some cycles to resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33, "Gerard Meijssen" < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> כתב:
Hoi, I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in a mobile app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because it is not realistic to expect enough coverage in any language. Particularly in the small languages it will not be really useful.
My question is: we have had automated descriptions for a long time. What is it that they makes that they are not used.?
Thanks, GerardM
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Bad wikidata descriptions will hopefully lead to a bunch of edits from people like myself who can't stand badly worded sentences. Do it. Create a new editing path! :) it's easier to correct something in my opinion then to write something new from scratch. On 9 Feb 2015 13:52, "Dmitry Brant" dbrant@wikimedia.org wrote:
Sure, I won't deny that it would still need a lot of work, but I still see it as a logical next step.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Eh, please don't - have you tried it for languages other than English? 09 февр. 2015 г. 5:55 пользователь "Dmitry Brant" dbrant@wikimedia.org написал:
Awesome! I would love to see the output of AutoDesc be returned by the
API, when a manual description is not available. I would also be a strong proponent of fully auto-generated descriptions for all articles. (The data is right there!)
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
See https://tools.wmflabs.org/autodesc for the new API described in the post. Interesting at least as a fallback to human-written descriptions...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] descriptions in mobile app To: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." < wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Manual descriptions are, in the vast majority of cases, a waste of volunteer time. Alternative: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=265
On Sun Feb 08 2015 at 17:37:42 Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, How does that help ? The point is exactly that there is no point to descriptions. Why iterate on a dog it will still be a mutt. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2015 at 14:07, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
I'd rather see it not as something terribly disappointing, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently.
Basically, to find some cycles to resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33, "Gerard Meijssen" < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> כתב:
> Hoi, > I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in a mobile > app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because it is not > realistic to expect enough coverage in any language. Particularly in the > small languages it will not be really useful. > > My question is: we have had automated descriptions for a long time. > What is it that they makes that they are not used.? > > Thanks, > GerardM > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On 24 February 2015 at 12:43, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Bad wikidata descriptions will hopefully lead to a bunch of edits from people like myself who can't stand badly worded sentences. Do it. Create a new editing path! :) it's easier to correct something in my opinion then to write something new from scratch.
Exactly.
I'm 100% okay with showing users algorithmically generated descriptions that are rough around the edges... as long as we can say to them "...so fix it!". :-)
This is something I'm hoping the Apps Team can explore next quarter by shifting focus from readership to contributions.
Dan