Am 11.04.2012 22:39 schrieb "Philip Chang" <pchang at wikimedia.org>:
We are considering ways to hide the top bar and calling it up easily, but the thought is to show it initially.
For example, the Pinterest app hides toolbars when scrolling down a page, and reveals them when scrolling up starts.
Another idea, based on the Kindle, is to show the toolbar initially and let it fade away, then a tap anywhere reveals it.
Yet another idea is to keep the toolbar at the top of the screen, then after scrolling down a page, a tap on top status bar of the phone scrolls quickly to the top of the page.
I think all three options are good; it's basically a matter of taste. Here's my taste:
My concern with the Kindle way is that you may find yourself on a page with lots of links or a big image, and there won't be a safe place to tap anywhere. The Kindle doesn't have that problem, but we do.
I like the third option for two reasons: people will know it from Safari, and it gives them a quick way to jump to the beginning of an article, which we currently lack. The downside is that some users will never figure out the tap-on-top shortcut, so they will constantly have to scroll like crazy up through long articles just to search.
So I wonder whether combining the Pinterest and Safari methods might be feasible? Best of all possible worlds, and all that.
Cheers, Axel
Axel, thanks once again for excellent input!
I totally agree with your conclusion.
Hope we can get you as a beta tester.
Phil
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Axel Boldt axelboldt@yahoo.com wrote:
Am 11.04.2012 22:39 schrieb "Philip Chang" <pchang at wikimedia.org>:
We are considering ways to hide the top bar and calling it up easily, but the thought is to show it initially.
For example, the Pinterest app hides toolbars when scrolling down a page, and reveals them when scrolling up starts.
Another idea, based on the Kindle, is to show the toolbar initially and let it fade away, then a tap anywhere reveals it.
Yet another idea is to keep the toolbar at the top of the screen, then after scrolling down a page, a tap on top status bar of the phone scrolls quickly to the top of the page.
I think all three options are good; it's basically a matter of taste. Here's my taste:
My concern with the Kindle way is that you may find yourself on a page with lots of links or a big image, and there won't be a safe place to tap anywhere. The Kindle doesn't have that problem, but we do.
I like the third option for two reasons: people will know it from Safari, and it gives them a quick way to jump to the beginning of an article, which we currently lack. The downside is that some users will never figure out the tap-on-top shortcut, so they will constantly have to scroll like crazy up through long articles just to search.
So I wonder whether combining the Pinterest and Safari methods might be feasible? Best of all possible worlds, and all that.
Cheers, Axel
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I'm not sure if we captured this but an alternative suggestion is to scroll it out of view:
I knocked up a quick example to demonstrate this: http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=San%20Francisco&useforma...
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Axel Boldt axelboldt@yahoo.com wrote:
Am 11.04.2012 22:39 schrieb "Philip Chang" <pchang at wikimedia.org>:
We are considering ways to hide the top bar and calling it up easily, but the thought is to show it initially.
For example, the Pinterest app hides toolbars when scrolling down a page, and reveals them when scrolling up starts.
Another idea, based on the Kindle, is to show the toolbar initially and let it fade away, then a tap anywhere reveals it.
Yet another idea is to keep the toolbar at the top of the screen, then after scrolling down a page, a tap on top status bar of the phone scrolls quickly to the top of the page.
I think all three options are good; it's basically a matter of taste. Here's my taste:
My concern with the Kindle way is that you may find yourself on a page with lots of links or a big image, and there won't be a safe place to tap anywhere. The Kindle doesn't have that problem, but we do.
I like the third option for two reasons: people will know it from Safari, and it gives them a quick way to jump to the beginning of an article, which we currently lack. The downside is that some users will never figure out the tap-on-top shortcut, so they will constantly have to scroll like crazy up through long articles just to search.
So I wonder whether combining the Pinterest and Safari methods might be feasible? Best of all possible worlds, and all that.
Cheers, Axel
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Thanks, Jon.
This approach has been suggested by various folks in the past. The only thing is, we also want to show the search field initially, possibly in a very noticeable way.
We are about to engage in some testing to see if the showing the search field open or closed has some effect on traffic. The idea of hiding the search bar altogether is a good idea to test also.
Phil
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure if we captured this but an alternative suggestion is to scroll it out of view:
I knocked up a quick example to demonstrate this:
http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=San%20Francisco&useforma...
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Axel Boldt axelboldt@yahoo.com wrote:
Am 11.04.2012 22:39 schrieb "Philip Chang" <pchang at wikimedia.org>:
We are considering ways to hide the top bar and calling it up easily,
but
the thought is to show it initially.
For example, the Pinterest app hides toolbars when scrolling down a
page,
and reveals them when scrolling up starts.
Another idea, based on the Kindle, is to show the toolbar initially and let it fade away, then a tap anywhere reveals it.
Yet another idea is to keep the toolbar at the top of the screen, then after scrolling down a page, a tap on top status bar of the phone
scrolls
quickly to the top of the page.
I think all three options are good; it's basically a matter of taste. Here's my taste:
My concern with the Kindle way is that you may find yourself on a page with lots of links or a big image, and there won't be a safe place to tap anywhere. The Kindle doesn't have that problem, but we do.
I like the third option for two reasons: people will know it from Safari, and it gives them a quick way to jump to the beginning of an article, which we currently lack. The downside is that some users will never figure out the tap-on-top shortcut, so they will constantly have to scroll like crazy up through long articles just to search.
So I wonder whether combining the Pinterest and Safari methods might be feasible? Best of all possible worlds, and all that.
Cheers, Axel
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With this method users would see the search field initially. We would animate to the top of the article very noticeably possibly after some delay. So the user would see the search box at the top of the page and as the scrolling down has occurred it should be obvious that scrolling up will return them to it.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Philip Chang pchang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks, Jon.
This approach has been suggested by various folks in the past. The only thing is, we also want to show the search field initially, possibly in a very noticeable way.
We are about to engage in some testing to see if the showing the search field open or closed has some effect on traffic. The idea of hiding the search bar altogether is a good idea to test also.
Phil
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure if we captured this but an alternative suggestion is to scroll it out of view:
I knocked up a quick example to demonstrate this:
http://mobile-geo.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=San%20Francisco&useforma...
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Axel Boldt axelboldt@yahoo.com wrote:
Am 11.04.2012 22:39 schrieb "Philip Chang" <pchang at wikimedia.org>:
We are considering ways to hide the top bar and calling it up easily, but the thought is to show it initially.
For example, the Pinterest app hides toolbars when scrolling down a page, and reveals them when scrolling up starts.
Another idea, based on the Kindle, is to show the toolbar initially and let it fade away, then a tap anywhere reveals it.
Yet another idea is to keep the toolbar at the top of the screen, then after scrolling down a page, a tap on top status bar of the phone scrolls quickly to the top of the page.
I think all three options are good; it's basically a matter of taste. Here's my taste:
My concern with the Kindle way is that you may find yourself on a page with lots of links or a big image, and there won't be a safe place to tap anywhere. The Kindle doesn't have that problem, but we do.
I like the third option for two reasons: people will know it from Safari, and it gives them a quick way to jump to the beginning of an article, which we currently lack. The downside is that some users will never figure out the tap-on-top shortcut, so they will constantly have to scroll like crazy up through long articles just to search.
So I wonder whether combining the Pinterest and Safari methods might be feasible? Best of all possible worlds, and all that.
Cheers, Axel
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