Hello everyone,
Related pages feature has been in beta for over two months now, the future of the feature depends on our discussions. While we currently don't have a clear process for deciding collaboratively on an all languages product, Alsee and the reading team have put together this document on meta [0], as a request for comment, seeking comments and ideas on modifications required, and how to further test the feature. In fact, we are not sure if an rfc is the best strategy to move forward with product decisions, but lets see how the discussion evolves, and we might explore the need for a different process, as we move on with this one.
We managed to translate a brief introduction about the topic, please feel free to fully translate the document and/or further promote the discussion on your wiki. We are trying hard to avoid having an English centric discussion for a feature that could be available across all language projects, and while we don't have a clear solution for this, we are trying this method as an experiment, where at least our communities can leave comments in their preferred language if they aren't comfortable writing in English but they can understand it.
Please check the page, help with translation or promotion in your Wikipedia, and most importantly, comment on how you think it can evolve. :)
Lets see how this works!
All the best, M
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Related_Pages
This feature appears to be an automated edition of the "See also" section on English Wikipedia. Having both Related Articles and See also feels like a usability issue.
Has there been any discussions on the wikis about this overlap? On 24 Mar 2016 05:18, "Moushira Elamrawy" melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
Related pages feature has been in beta for over two months now, the future of the feature depends on our discussions. While we currently don't have a clear process for deciding collaboratively on an all languages product, Alsee and the reading team have put together this document on meta [0], as a request for comment, seeking comments and ideas on modifications required, and how to further test the feature. In fact, we are not sure if an rfc is the best strategy to move forward with product decisions, but lets see how the discussion evolves, and we might explore the need for a different process, as we move on with this one.
We managed to translate a brief introduction about the topic, please feel free to fully translate the document and/or further promote the discussion on your wiki. We are trying hard to avoid having an English centric discussion for a feature that could be available across all language projects, and while we don't have a clear solution for this, we are trying this method as an experiment, where at least our communities can leave comments in their preferred language if they aren't comfortable writing in English but they can understand it.
Please check the page, help with translation or promotion in your Wikipedia, and most importantly, comment on how you think it can evolve. :)
Lets see how this works!
All the best, M
[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Related_Pages
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1) The related articles are editable via the {{RelatedArticles}} magic word. They have been since day one of launch.
2) There is a great conversation around how this feature could serve as a see also replacement here:https://www.mediawiki.org/w/ https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Syte4nkfr13nlfw4&action=history index.php https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Syte4nkfr13nlfw4&action=history ?title=Topic: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Syte4nkfr13nlfw4&action=history Syte4nkfr13nlfw4 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Syte4nkfr13nlfw4&action=history &action=history https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Syte4nkfr13nlfw4&action=history
3) it's a beta feature and as far as I'm aware there are no plans to push this to all users without community buy in.
4) in general I think beta features are a great way to have conversations about how we can make the wiki better. I think this is generating good conversations - especially around the PageImages extension and the usefulness of see also and the exposure of the more like API. On 4 Apr 2016 9:53 a.m., "John Mark Vandenberg" jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
This feature appears to be an automated edition of the "See also" section on English Wikipedia. Having both Related Articles and See also feels like a usability issue.
Has there been any discussions on the wikis about this overlap? On 24 Mar 2016 05:18, "Moushira Elamrawy" melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
Related pages feature has been in beta for over two months now, the future of the feature depends on our discussions. While we currently don't have a clear process for deciding collaboratively on an all languages product, Alsee and the reading team have put together this document on meta [0], as a request for comment, seeking comments and ideas on modifications required, and how to further test the feature. In fact, we are not sure if an rfc is the best strategy to move forward with product decisions, but lets see how the discussion evolves, and we might explore the need for a different process, as we move on with this one.
We managed to translate a brief introduction about the topic, please feel free to fully translate the document and/or further promote the discussion on your wiki. We are trying hard to avoid having an English centric discussion for a feature that could be available across all language projects, and while we don't have a clear solution for this, we are trying this method as an experiment, where at least our communities can leave comments in their preferred language if they aren't comfortable writing in English but they can understand it.
Please check the page, help with translation or promotion in your Wikipedia, and most importantly, comment on how you think it can evolve. :)
Lets see how this works!
All the best, M
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Moushira Elamrawy melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote:
...
In fact, we are not sure if an rfc is the best strategy to move forward
with product decisions, but lets see how the discussion evolves, and we might explore the need for a different process, as we move on with this one.
I don't think an RFC on its own is *ever* the best way to move forward with product decisions. From what I've seen, that approach inevitably leads to the conflation of design issues ("does this work as designed, for whom, why or why not?") with implement issues ("do the people who participate in this discussion want this feature to exist on some wiki in some form, why or why not?"). Too often this simply pits the WMF product team, who obviously want feature to be liked and used, against a cohort of community members who *dislike* the feature enough that they're willing to spend their private time slugging it out. Things escalate, mug is thrown, new epithets are coined, and the product--often as not--just continues to hang in limbo.
In future, I would suggest we always conduct some user research first—with editors and readers, to understand what value, if any, different stakeholders find in the product, as well as what's working and what's not in the current design. Then bring the findings of that research into the RFC, to provide an additional set of criteria with which to view the product's general worthiness, and to anchor discussions of the various benefits and drawbacks of implementing it (in some form, at some point, on some wiki) in direct evidence from a more diverse set of stakeholders.
Jonathan
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