This morning I went ahead and changed the app to pull from MapQuest's public OpenStreetMap-based tile servers, with appropriate tweak to the credits line. This will put less usage on the primary OpenStreetMap public tile servers, as we don't yet have a good idea just how much traffic we'll end up driving.
People using nightly builds may notice that the map style is slightly different, but should work the same and have the same content. People using the current Android and iOS app releases will not see any difference at this time; those continue to use Google Maps.
We're in the process of getting things set up to run our own OSM tile servers, which we'll eventually use on Wikipedia itself as well as in the mobile app, but I'm not sure what the schedule on that still looks like.
OSM's tile usage policy: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy
Docs on the MapQuest tile servers: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapquest#MapQuest-hosted_map_tiles
-- brion
Brion,
Thanks for this summary, and for the work involved in making the switch.
I wanted to mention that Mapquest provides a definition of heavy usage at the bottom of this page:
*http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/map*http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/map
Specifically, they mention 4000 tiles per second.
Recently aude contacted Mapquest to give a kind of forewarning. She has had a longstanding relationship with Mapquest. They recently replied and we are ok for now (considering our traffic will likely start small and increase over time). Currently, we are seeing about 20,000 requests per day on GeoNames from both apps.
In addition, our legal department is in the process of reviewing Mapquest legalese, but on a first impression, it seems ok. The main concern is about how the user is warned on the phone regarding location info, and secondarily the privacy policy. This afternoon there will be a formal review and I will write an update then.
Phil
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
This morning I went ahead and changed the app to pull from MapQuest's public OpenStreetMap-based tile servers, with appropriate tweak to the credits line. This will put less usage on the primary OpenStreetMap public tile servers, as we don't yet have a good idea just how much traffic we'll end up driving.
People using nightly builds may notice that the map style is slightly different, but should work the same and have the same content. People using the current Android and iOS app releases will not see any difference at this time; those continue to use Google Maps.
We're in the process of getting things set up to run our own OSM tile servers, which we'll eventually use on Wikipedia itself as well as in the mobile app, but I'm not sure what the schedule on that still looks like.
OSM's tile usage policy: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy
Docs on the MapQuest tile servers: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapquest#MapQuest-hosted_map_tiles
-- brion
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Philip Chang pchang@wikimedia.org wrote:
Brion,
Thanks for this summary, and for the work involved in making the switch.
I wanted to mention that Mapquest provides a definition of heavy usage at the bottom of this page:
*http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/map*http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/map
Specifically, they mention 4000 tiles per second.
Recently aude contacted Mapquest to give a kind of forewarning. She has had a longstanding relationship with Mapquest. They recently replied and we are ok for now (considering our traffic will likely start small and increase over time). Currently, we are seeing about 20,000 requests per day on GeoNames from both apps.
20k requests per day -> about 0.2 requests per second. Throw in four tiles for the initial map, and we're somewhere around 1 tile per second avg. We'll need a 4-thousandfold increase in usage to get near it I think. :)
Which would be, well, pretty cool. ;)
In addition, our legal department is in the process of reviewing Mapquest legalese, but on a first impression, it seems ok. The main concern is about how the user is warned on the phone regarding location info, and secondarily the privacy policy. This afternoon there will be a formal review and I will write an update then.
Have we done the same about Geonames?
-- brion